Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals

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Date : 04. Mar 2025, 15:38:05
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On 3/4/2025 9:26 AM, olcott wrote:
On 3/4/2025 4:36 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-03-04 03:07:56 +0000, olcott said:
>
int DD()
{
   int Halt_Status = HHH(DD);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
>
_DD()
[00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
[00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
[0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
[00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
[00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
[0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
[0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
[00002154] 5d         pop ebp
[00002155] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
>
DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
>
The only valid rebuttal is to show all of the steps of
exactly how DD correctly emulated by HHH reaches its
own "ret" instruction.
>
The question whether DD emulated by HHH exists is too uninteresting that
it would need a rebuttal, and so is the question that does it reach its
"ret" instruction if it exsists.
>
 DD correctly emulated by HHH cannot possibly
reach its own "ret" instruction and terminate normally.
*Proves that the input to HHH(DD) can be rejected as non-halting*
 
And if we assume, as you said, that replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and running HHH(DD) does not halt, then what?

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4 Mar 25 * DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals366olcott
4 Mar 25 +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals4dbush
4 Mar 25 i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals3olcott
4 Mar 25 i +- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals1dbush
4 Mar 25 i `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals1Fred. Zwarts
4 Mar 25 +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals301Fred. Zwarts
4 Mar 25 i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals300olcott
4 Mar 25 i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals281Fred. Zwarts
4 Mar 25 i i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---280olcott
4 Mar 25 i i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---9joes
4 Mar 25 i i i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---8olcott
4 Mar 25 i i i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---5dbush
4 Mar 25 i i i i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---4olcott
4 Mar 25 i i i i `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---3dbush
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5 Mar 25 i i i i   `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Richard Damon
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5 Mar 25 i i i `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1joes
5 Mar 25 i i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---267Richard Damon
5 Mar 25 i i i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---266olcott
5 Mar 25 i i i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---264Richard Damon
5 Mar 25 i i i i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---263olcott
5 Mar 25 i i i i `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---262Richard Damon
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5 Mar 25 i i i i   +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---8joes
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5 Mar 25 i i i i     +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---248joes
5 Mar 25 i i i i     i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---247olcott
5 Mar 25 i i i i     i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---244dbush
5 Mar 25 i i i i     i i+* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---198olcott
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6 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii    `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---185olcott
6 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii     `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---184dbush
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6 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---93dbush
6 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---92olcott
6 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---2dbush
6 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i i`- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1dbush
6 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---89joes
6 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i  `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---88olcott
7 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i   `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---87Richard Damon
7 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i    `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---86olcott
7 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---74Fred. Zwarts
7 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---73olcott
8 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i +- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Richard Damon
8 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---71Mikko
8 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i  `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---70olcott
8 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---24dbush
8 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---23olcott
8 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---22dbush
8 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i  `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---21olcott
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9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---18olcott
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9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i  `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---16olcott
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i   `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---15Richard Damon
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i    `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---14olcott
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i     `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---13Richard Damon
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i      `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---12olcott
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i       `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---11Richard Damon
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i        `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---10olcott
10 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i         `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---9Richard Damon
10 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i          `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---8olcott
10 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i           `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---7Richard Damon
10 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i            `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---6olcott
10 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i             +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---3Richard Damon
11 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i             i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---2olcott
11 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i             i `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Richard Damon
11 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i             +- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Mikko
11 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   i             `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1joes
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Mikko
8 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---9Fred. Zwarts
8 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---8olcott
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---7Fred. Zwarts
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i  `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---6olcott
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   +- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Richard Damon
10 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i   `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---4Fred. Zwarts
10 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i    `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---3olcott
10 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i     +- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Fred. Zwarts
10 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i     `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Richard Damon
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---28Richard Damon
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---27olcott
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---22dbush
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---21olcott
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---19dbush
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i i i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---18olcott
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i i i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---16dbush
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i i i i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---15olcott
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i i i `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1joes
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i i `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Fred. Zwarts
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---3Richard Damon
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   i `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Fred. Zwarts
9 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     i   `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---8Mikko
7 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       i     `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---11Richard Damon
6 Mar 25 i i i i     i iii       `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---89Fred. Zwarts
6 Mar 25 i i i i     i ii`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---7Richard Damon
6 Mar 25 i i i i     i i`* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---45Richard Damon
5 Mar 25 i i i i     i +- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1wij
6 Mar 25 i i i i     i `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Richard Damon
6 Mar 25 i i i i     `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Richard Damon
5 Mar 25 i i i `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---1Fred. Zwarts
5 Mar 25 i i `* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals ---PSR---3Fred. Zwarts
5 Mar 25 i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals9Richard Damon
6 Mar 25 i +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals8Mikko
6 Mar 25 i `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals1Mikko
4 Mar 25 +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals13Bonita Montero
4 Mar 25 +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals29Mikko
4 Mar 25 +* Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals17Richard Damon
4 Mar 25 `- Re: DD correctly emulated by HHH --- Totally ignoring invalid rebuttals1Richard Damon

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