Sujet : Re: Every sufficiently competent C programmer knows --- Semantic Property of Finite String
De : dbush.mobile (at) *nospam* gmail.com (dbush)
Groupes : comp.theoryDate : 14. Mar 2025, 01:32:05
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On 3/13/2025 8:21 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/13/2025 3:48 PM, dbush wrote:
On 3/13/2025 4:46 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/13/2025 4:27 AM, joes wrote:
Am Wed, 12 Mar 2025 21:41:34 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 3/12/2025 7:56 PM, dbush wrote:
On 3/12/2025 8:41 PM, olcott wrote:
>
NOT WHEN IT IS STIPULATED THAT THE BEHAVIOR BEING MEASURED IS
>
The direct execution of DDD
>
is proven to be different than the behavior of DDD emulated by HHH
according to the semantics of the x86 language.
>
Which is weird, considering that a simulator should produce the same
behaviour.
>
>
DECIDERS ARE REQUIRED TO REPORT ON THE SEMANTIC OR SYNTACTIC PROPERTY OF
THEIR INPUT FINITE STRINGS.
And not if the input called a different simulator that didn't abort.
>
>
Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and subsequently running HHH(DD) cannot possibly
reach its own final state no matter what HHH
does.
>
Replacing the code of HHH1 with an unconditional simulator and subsequently running HHH1(DD) does reach its
own final state.
>
If someone was not a liar they would say that
these are different computations.
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>
Only because one changes the code that DD runs and one doesn't
*Changing my quoted words is dishonest*
Not when you gave your official on-the-record permission to do so:
On 3/6/2025 8:22 AM, dbush wrote:
> On 3/5/2025 11:06 PM, dbush wrote:
>> Last chance:
>>
>> Give an example where X correctly emulated by Y is
>> different from replacing the code of Y with an unconditional simulator
>> and subsequently running Y(X).
>>
>> Failure to do so in your next reply (or within one hour of your next
>> post in this newsgroup) will be taken as your on-the-record admission
>> that they mean the same thing, and that additionally you officially
>> approve of replacing the former with the latter in any of your quotes
>> to make it clear exactly what you're talking about.
>>
>
> Let The Record Show that Peter Olcott made the following post in this
> newsgroup after the above quoted message:
>
> On 3/5/2025 11:41 PM, olcott wrote:
> > No matter WTF HHH is DD cannot possibly reach its "ret"
> > instruction and terminate normally when correctly emulated by HHH.
> > Either this is over your head or you are a liar. There is
> > no third choice.
>
> And has not responded to the quoted message above more than 8 hours
> after he made the above post.
>
> He has therefore satisfied the requirements stated above for admission
> of the given statement. So:
>
> Let The Record Show:
>
> That Peter Olcott:
>
> Has admitted that the following statement (Statement 1):
>
> DD correctly simulated by HHH
>
> Is exactly equivalent to the following statement (Statement 2):
>
> Replacing the code of HHH with an unconditional simulator and
> subsequently running HHH(DD)
>
> And has given his official permission to anyone responding to his
> messages to replace Statement 1 with Statement 2 in any of his quoted
> messages for the purposes of making it clear what he is claiming