Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.

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Sujet : Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.
De : rjh (at) *nospam* cpax.org.uk (Richard Heathfield)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 22. Mar 2025, 07:16:10
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On 21/03/2025 23:48, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/21/25 4:20 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
On 21/03/2025 19:30, Keith Thompson wrote:
My understanding is that Gödel proved that there are statements
that are true but not provable.
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Yes. Incompleteness.
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It's still not possible for both
X and not-X to be provable.  If proofs exist for both, at least
one of the proofs must be flawed.
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I'd be interested to see a proof of that conjecture.
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 It comes from the definition of consistency.
<sigh> So much for my sense of humour, which is showing distinct signs of rust.

 If something is provable, then it must be true, as the proof shows the path from the fundamental truths the the stateemnt, establishing its truth.
I am tempted to argue that we may instead deduce that one of the fundamental truths isn't as true as it's supposed to be. But... peace! I will not argue that, because it's the stuff that crankitude is made of, and while crankinosity may be something I'd enjoy flirting with, I simply don't have the time.
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17 Mar 25 * Why Tarski is wrong79olcott
17 Mar 25 +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong74Richard Damon
17 Mar 25 i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong73olcott
18 Mar 25 i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong1Richard Damon
18 Mar 25 i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong1Richard Damon
18 Mar 25 i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong70Mikko
18 Mar 25 i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.69olcott
19 Mar 25 i   +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.67Richard Damon
19 Mar 25 i   i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.66olcott
20 Mar 25 i   i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.65Richard Damon
20 Mar 25 i   i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.64olcott
21 Mar 25 i   i   +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.61Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.60olcott
21 Mar 25 i   i   i +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.42Mikko
21 Mar 25 i   i   i i+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.31Richard Heathfield
21 Mar 25 i   i   i ii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.17Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.15Richard Heathfield
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.14olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii i`- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Heathfield
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.11Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.10olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3Mikko
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23 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   i `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.6Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii    `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.5olcott
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23 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii      `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3olcott
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24 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii       `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1joes
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22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii`- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i ii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.9Keith Thompson
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4Richard Heathfield
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Richard Heathfield
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii  `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii   `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i ii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i ii `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Heathfield
21 Mar 25 i   i   i i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.10olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.8Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.7olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i   +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
23 Mar 25 i   i   i i   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.5Mikko
23 Mar 25 i   i   i i    `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4olcott
23 Mar 25 i   i   i i     +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
24 Mar 25 i   i   i i     +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1joes
24 Mar 25 i   i   i i     `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Mikko
21 Mar 25 i   i   i +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.13Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.12olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.11Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.7olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    i+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.5Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    ii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    iii`- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    ii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    ii `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    i`- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i     +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i     `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Mikko
21 Mar 25 i   i    `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1olcott
19 Mar 25 i   `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Mikko
17 Mar 25 `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong4Richard Damon
17 Mar 25  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong3olcott
17 Mar 25   +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong1Richard Damon
17 Mar 25   `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong1Richard Damon

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