Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.

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Sujet : Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 22. Mar 2025, 16:00:44
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On 3/22/2025 7:05 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-03-21 22:47:04 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 3/21/2025 3:10 PM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
On 21/03/2025 11:48, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/21/25 5:33 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
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But what if they were /both/ right? It was an obvious worry, and so arose the great question: is mathematics consistent?
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And Gödel proved not only that it isn't, but that it can't be.
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Fortunately, to date inconsistency has tended to surface only in corner cases like the Halting Problem, but Gödel's Hobgoblin hovers over mathematics to this day.
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Godel didn't prove that Mathematics wasn't consistent. He proved that it couldn't be proved to BE consistant within itself.
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Yes, I rather overstated the case. Sorry about that.
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Or we could simply define the rules for constructing a
formal system such that inconsistency cannot exist.
 That is possible. An example is Horn clauses, which is the theory behind
Prolog. If the logic has no negation operator there is no posiibility to
express an inconsistency. But even then the question whether there is an
unprovable sentence is problematic.
 
The body of human general knowledge that can be expressed
in language cannot possibly have any unprovable expressions
when truth preserving operations are the only category of
inference steps allowed.
This system is somewhat similar to the restrictions that
ZFC set theory places on the creation of sets.
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Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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17 Mar 25 * Why Tarski is wrong79olcott
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17 Mar 25 i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong73olcott
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