Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.

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Date : 24. Mar 2025, 00:58:32
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Am Sun, 23 Mar 2025 15:37:40 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 3/22/2025 9:53 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/22/25 4:33 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/22/2025 12:34 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/22/25 11:00 AM, olcott wrote:

The body of human general knowledge that can be expressed in
language cannot possibly have any unprovable expressions when truth
preserving operations are the only category of inference steps
allowed.
So, your logic doesn't allow us to express the Goldbach conjecture in
it? We can't express the logic of Turing Machines?
The body of general knowledge that can be expressed in language (is
the actual body of general knowledge that can be expressed in
language) thus includes every tiny detail about the Goldbach
conjecture.
Except for its truth.

Right, but knowing all the details doesn't get us the answer, we KNOW
all the details that define the problem, we just can't test every
number to see if it holds.
Part of the set of all general knowledge that can be expressed using
language is all of the details of unsolved problems. It will know that
no one knows whether the Goldbach conjecture is true.
I.e. it doesn't know.

What it does not have is a set of truth preserving operations from
basic facts to a truth value of TRUE. Is the Goldbach Conjecture known
to be True? No.
But the question is NOT "is it KNOWN to be True?" but "is it True?"
Then the answer is "no one knows".
That's not an answer.

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Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.

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17 Mar 25 * Why Tarski is wrong79olcott
17 Mar 25 +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong74Richard Damon
17 Mar 25 i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong73olcott
18 Mar 25 i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong1Richard Damon
18 Mar 25 i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong1Richard Damon
18 Mar 25 i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong70Mikko
18 Mar 25 i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.69olcott
19 Mar 25 i   +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.67Richard Damon
19 Mar 25 i   i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.66olcott
20 Mar 25 i   i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.65Richard Damon
20 Mar 25 i   i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.64olcott
21 Mar 25 i   i   +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.61Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.60olcott
21 Mar 25 i   i   i +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.42Mikko
21 Mar 25 i   i   i i+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.31Richard Heathfield
21 Mar 25 i   i   i ii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.17Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.15Richard Heathfield
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.14olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii i`- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Heathfield
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.11Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.10olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2olcott
23 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   i `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.6Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii    `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.5olcott
23 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii     `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4Richard Damon
23 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii      `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3olcott
23 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii       +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
24 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii       `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1joes
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22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii`- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i ii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.9Keith Thompson
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22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Richard Heathfield
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii  `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii   `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i ii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i ii `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Heathfield
21 Mar 25 i   i   i i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.10olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.8Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.7olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i   +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
23 Mar 25 i   i   i i   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.5Mikko
23 Mar 25 i   i   i i    `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4olcott
23 Mar 25 i   i   i i     +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
24 Mar 25 i   i   i i     +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1joes
24 Mar 25 i   i   i i     `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Mikko
21 Mar 25 i   i   i +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.13Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.12olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.11Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.7olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    i+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.5Richard Damon
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22 Mar 25 i   i   i    `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i     +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i     `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Mikko
21 Mar 25 i   i    `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1olcott
19 Mar 25 i   `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Mikko
17 Mar 25 `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong4Richard Damon
17 Mar 25  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong3olcott
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