Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.

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Date : 24. Mar 2025, 01:20:27
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Am Sun, 23 Mar 2025 13:26:33 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 3/23/2025 4:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-03-22 15:19:26 +0000, olcott said:
On 3/22/2025 9:18 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-03-21 13:52:38 +0000, olcott said:
On 3/21/2025 3:11 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-03-21 03:49:14 +0000, olcott said:
On 3/20/2025 8:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/20/25 6:14 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/19/2025 8:59 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/19/25 5:50 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/18/2025 10:04 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 3/18/25 9:36 AM, olcott wrote:
On 3/18/2025 8:14 AM, Mikko wrote:

Part of the problem is that most of what we call "Human
Knowledge" isn't logically defined truth, but is just
"Emperical Knowledge", for which we
The set of human knowledge that can be expressed in language
provides the means to compute True(X).
Of course not, as then True(x) just can't handle a statement
whose truth is currently unknown, which it MUST be able to
handle
It employs the same algorithm as Prolog:
Can X be proven on the basis of Facts?
And thus you just admitted that your system doesn't even QUALIFY
to be the system that Tarski is talking about.
You don't seem to understand that fact, because apparently you
can't actually understand any logic system more coplicated than
what Prolog can handle.
This concise specification is air-tight.
The set of all human general knowledge that can be expressed using
language has no undecidability or undefinability.
Of course it has. Meanings of the words "undecidability" and
"undefinability" and related words are a part of human knowledge,
and so are Gödel's completeness and incopleteness theorems as well
as Tarski's undefinability theorem.
My system has no undecidability or undefinability itself yet can
explain these issues with inferior systems.
That is not proven. Nor is proven that your system is consistent.
Nor that your system exists.
The definition of the set of every element of human general knowledge
that can be expressed using language prevents inconsistency,
incompleteness and undecidability within this set.
It prevents completeness.
The set of human general knowledge that can be expressed using language
is ALWAYS complete by definition.
Last I heard, we didn't know everything.

There are expressions that could be elements of human general knowledge
but aren't.
But human general knowledge is not a theory because there is no way to
know about every expressible claim whether its known to be true.
We can imagine a single formal system that contains every element of the
set of human knowledge that can be expressed in language.
It won't contain every truth, though.

--
Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.

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17 Mar 25 * Why Tarski is wrong79olcott
17 Mar 25 +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong74Richard Damon
17 Mar 25 i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong73olcott
18 Mar 25 i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong1Richard Damon
18 Mar 25 i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong1Richard Damon
18 Mar 25 i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong70Mikko
18 Mar 25 i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.69olcott
19 Mar 25 i   +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.67Richard Damon
19 Mar 25 i   i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.66olcott
20 Mar 25 i   i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.65Richard Damon
20 Mar 25 i   i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.64olcott
21 Mar 25 i   i   +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.61Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.60olcott
21 Mar 25 i   i   i +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.42Mikko
21 Mar 25 i   i   i i+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.31Richard Heathfield
21 Mar 25 i   i   i ii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.17Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.15Richard Heathfield
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.14olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii i`- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Heathfield
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.11Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.10olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2olcott
23 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   i `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.6Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii    `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.5olcott
23 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii     `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4Richard Damon
23 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii      `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3olcott
23 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii       +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
24 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii       `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1joes
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii`- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Mikko
21 Mar 25 i   i   i ii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii`- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i ii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.9Keith Thompson
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iii+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4Richard Heathfield
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22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Richard Heathfield
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iiii  `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i iii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i iii   `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i ii`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i ii `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Heathfield
21 Mar 25 i   i   i i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.10olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.8Mikko
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.7olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i   +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
23 Mar 25 i   i   i i   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.5Mikko
23 Mar 25 i   i   i i    `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4olcott
23 Mar 25 i   i   i i     +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
24 Mar 25 i   i   i i     +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1joes
24 Mar 25 i   i   i i     `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Mikko
21 Mar 25 i   i   i +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.4Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i i`* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i i `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.13Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   i  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.12olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.11Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    +* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.7olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    i+* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.5Richard Damon
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22 Mar 25 i   i   i    ii `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    i`- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i    `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.3olcott
22 Mar 25 i   i   i     +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i   i   i     `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i   i   `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.2Mikko
21 Mar 25 i   i    `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1olcott
19 Mar 25 i   `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong --- Montague, Davidson and Knowledge Ontology providing situational context.1Mikko
17 Mar 25 `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong4Richard Damon
17 Mar 25  `* Re: Why Tarski is wrong3olcott
17 Mar 25   +- Re: Why Tarski is wrong1Richard Damon
17 Mar 25   `- Re: Why Tarski is wrong1Richard Damon

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