Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1

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Sujet : Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1
De : dbush.mobile (at) *nospam* gmail.com (dbush)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 29. Mar 2025, 19:37:54
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On 3/29/2025 2:15 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/29/2025 4:31 AM, joes wrote:
Am Fri, 28 Mar 2025 14:27:36 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 3/28/2025 2:17 PM, dbush wrote:
On 3/28/2025 3:02 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/28/2025 1:12 PM, dbush wrote:
On 3/28/2025 1:57 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/27/2025 9:33 PM, dbush wrote:
On 3/27/2025 10:10 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/27/2025 8:24 PM, dbush wrote:
On 3/27/2025 9:21 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/27/2025 8:09 PM, dbush wrote:
On 3/27/2025 9:07 PM, olcott wrote:
On 3/27/2025 7:38 PM, dbush wrote:
>
Good, because that's all that's required for a solution to the
halting problem:
>
There are sometimes when the behavior of TM Description D
correctly simulated by UTM1 does not match the behavior correctly
simulated by UTM2.
>
Irrelevant, because to satisfy the requirements, the behavior of
the described machine when executed directly must be reported.
>
I HAVE PROVED THAT THE REQUIREMENT IS WRONG NITWIT.
According to what? WE require it. YOU are answering a different question.
>
Category error.
I want to know if any arbitrary algorithm X with input Y will halt
when executed directly.
>
It is 100% impossible for any TM to take another executing TM as its
input.
Quit that.
>
But it can take a complete description of a TM that
>
Is not always a perfect proxy for the behavior of the direct execution
of the underlying machine.
 
Uh yes it is.
>
 That my proof that I am correct
is over your head is less than
no rebuttal what-so-ever.
The fact that such TM description can be given to a UTM which will exactly replicate the behavior of the described TM when executed directly proves otherwise is apparently over your head.

 
I have proven this hundreds and hundreds of times over several years.
PATHOLOGICAL SELF-REFERENCE CANNOT SIMPLY BE IGNORED. IT IS EITHER
MORONIC OR DISHONEST TO DO SO.
Simulation by the called simulator is not direct execution.
>
 The behavior OF THE INPUT
i.e. a complete description of a TM

is specified by THIS INPUT
being
Directly executed

according to the semantics of
the x86 language.
 

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20 Mar 25 * DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined474olcott
20 Mar 25 +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined435Mikko
20 Mar 25 i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined434olcott
21 Mar 25 i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined426Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined425olcott
21 Mar 25 i i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined421Mikko
21 Mar 25 i i i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined420olcott
22 Mar 25 i i i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined418Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i i i i`* DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 2417olcott
22 Mar 25 i i i i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 2412Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i i i i i+* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 25olcott
22 Mar 25 i i i i ii+* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 23Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i i i i iii`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 22olcott
22 Mar 25 i i i i iii `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 21Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i i i i ii`- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 21Mikko
22 Mar 25 i i i i i`* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 2 addendum406olcott
22 Mar 25 i i i i i +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 2 addendum404joes
22 Mar 25 i i i i i i`* III correctly emulated by EEE ---403olcott
22 Mar 25 i i i i i i +* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---401Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i i i i i i i`* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---400olcott
23 Mar 25 i i i i i i i +* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---398Richard Damon
23 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i`* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---397olcott
23 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---396Richard Damon
23 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i  `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---395olcott
23 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i   `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---394Richard Damon
23 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i    `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---393olcott
24 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i     `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---392Richard Damon
24 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i      `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---391olcott
24 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i       `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---390Richard Damon
24 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i        `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---389olcott
25 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i         `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---388Richard Damon
25 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          +* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---374olcott
25 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          i+* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---372joes
25 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii`* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---371olcott
25 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---370joes
25 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii  `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---369olcott
26 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   +* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---367Richard Damon
26 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i`* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---366olcott
26 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---365Richard Damon
26 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i  `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---364olcott
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i   `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---363Richard Damon
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i    `* DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1362olcott
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH139Richard Damon
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH138olcott
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i +- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Fred. Zwarts
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH136Richard Damon
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i  +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH12olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i  i`- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i  `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH133olcott
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH131joes
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i+* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH12olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   ii`- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH128olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH127Richard Damon
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i  `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH126olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH122Richard Damon
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH121olcott
28 Mar14:50 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH120Richard Damon
28 Mar19:13 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i  `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH119olcott
28 Mar22:58 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i   `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH118Richard Damon
28 Mar23:41 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i    `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH117olcott
29 Mar02:05 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i     +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH18Richard Damon
29 Mar03:08 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i     i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH17olcott
29 Mar03:31 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i     i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH16Richard Damon
29 Mar04:41 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i     i  `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH15olcott
29 Mar11:55 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i     i   `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH14Richard Damon
29 Mar17:45 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i     i    `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH13olcott
29 Mar19:32 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i     i     `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH12Richard Damon
29 Mar21:32 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i     i      `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Fred. Zwarts
29 Mar10:56 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i     `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH18Mikko
29 Mar16:28 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i      `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH17olcott
29 Mar19:34 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       +- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
29 Mar21:01 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH14joes
29 Mar22:34 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH13olcott
29 Mar23:20 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       i +- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
30 Mar09:29 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       i `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11joes
30 Mar10:16 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   i       `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Mikko
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i   `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH13joes
28 Mar19:21 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i    `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH12olcott
29 Mar10:48 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   i     `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11joes
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     i   `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i     `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1322Fred. Zwarts
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i      `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1321olcott
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1304dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1303olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1302dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i  `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1301olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i   `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1300dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i    `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1299olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i     `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1298dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i      `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1297olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH160dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH159olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH142dbush
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH141olcott
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH137dbush
28 Mar18:57 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH136olcott
28 Mar19:07 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH111joes
28 Mar20:05 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH110olcott
28 Mar20:17 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH13dbush
28 Mar20:28 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i i`* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH12olcott
28 Mar23:03 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i +- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
29 Mar09:46 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH15Fred. Zwarts
28 Mar19:09 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i +- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
28 Mar19:12 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH123dbush
28 Mar14:53 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH13Richard Damon
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH111Fred. Zwarts
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       i `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH15Fred. Zwarts
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       i       `* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH1236Richard Damon
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH17Fred. Zwarts
27 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       +* Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH18joes
28 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   i       `- Re: DDD specifies recursive emulation to HHH and halting to HHH11Richard Damon
26 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          ii   `- Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---1joes
25 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          i`- Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---1Richard Damon
25 Mar 25 i i i i i i i i          `* Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---13olcott
23 Mar 25 i i i i i i i `- Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---1Mikko
23 Mar 25 i i i i i i `- Re: III correctly emulated by EEE ---1Mikko
22 Mar 25 i i i i i `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 2 addendum1Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 i i i i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined 24Mikko
22 Mar 25 i i i `- Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined1Mikko
21 Mar 25 i i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined3Richard Damon
21 Mar 25 i `* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined7Mikko
20 Mar 25 +* Re: DDD correctly emulated by HHH --- Correct Emulation Defined3Richard Damon
22 Mar 25 `* DDD correctly emulated by EEE --- Correct Emulation Defined35olcott

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