Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof

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Sujet : Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof
De : acm (at) *nospam* muc.de (Alan Mackenzie)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 09. Apr 2025, 17:17:37
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Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote:
On Wed, 09 Apr 2025 14:11:54 +0000, Alan Mackenzie wrote:

Mr Flibble <flibble@red-dwarf.jmc.corp> wrote:
On Tue, 08 Apr 2025 15:46:54 -0700, Keith Thompson wrote:

[ .... ]

If you're interested in learning more, search for "surreal numbers" or
"hyperreal numbers".  If you're not, don't.

Surreal numbers are bullshit as they don't actually exist, logically
(as I have show).  Bullshit can be internally consistent with itself.

What exactly do you mean by a mathematical entity "not existing"?  What
is your test which partitions such entities into "existing" and
"non-existing"?

/Flibble

Simple: things that make no logical sense don't exist: ....

Surreal numbers do make logical sense.  They form an ordered field which
has the real numbers as a subfield.

.... logically a real number always has a number smaller than it ....

Every stricly positive surreal number has a number smaller than it, too.

.... so trying to put a "surreal" infinitesimal on the same number line
as a "real" makes no logical sense: in fact I will go as far to say
that it is a category error.

The surreal number line is not the real number line, so trying to put a
surreal on the latter indeed makes no sense.  It might even constitute a
category error, as you suggest.

That, however, has no bearing on the existence of surreal numbers.  They
don't create inconsistencies, hence do exist, and have been studied
intensively.

/Flibble

--
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).


Date Sujet#  Auteur
8 Apr 25 * Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof45Andy Walker
8 Apr 25 +* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof33Richard Heathfield
8 Apr 25 i`* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof32Andy Walker
8 Apr 25 i +* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof2Richard Heathfield
8 Apr 25 i i`- Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof1Andy Walker
8 Apr 25 i +* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof2Fred. Zwarts
9 Apr 25 i i`- Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof1Richard Damon
9 Apr 25 i `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof27wij
9 Apr 25 i  `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof26Richard Heathfield
9 Apr 25 i   `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof25wij
9 Apr 25 i    `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof24Richard Heathfield
9 Apr 25 i     `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof23wij
9 Apr 25 i      `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof22Richard Heathfield
9 Apr 25 i       `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof21wij
9 Apr 25 i        `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof20Richard Heathfield
9 Apr 25 i         `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof19wij
9 Apr 25 i          `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof18Richard Heathfield
10 Apr 25 i           `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof17wij
11 Apr 25 i            `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof16Keith Thompson
11 Apr 25 i             `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof15wij
11 Apr 25 i              +* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof8Alan Mackenzie
11 Apr 25 i              i`* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof7wij
11 Apr 25 i              i `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof6Richard Damon
11 Apr 25 i              i  `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof5wij
11 Apr 25 i              i   +- Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof1Richard Heathfield
11 Apr 25 i              i   `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof3Richard Damon
11 Apr 25 i              i    `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof2wij
11 Apr 25 i              i     `- Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof1Richard Damon
11 Apr 25 i              `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof6Keith Thompson
11 Apr 25 i               `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof5wij
11 Apr 25 i                +* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof2wij
11 Apr 25 i                i`- Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof1Richard Heathfield
11 Apr 25 i                +- Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof1Keith Thompson
12 Apr 25 i                `- Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof1Richard Heathfield
8 Apr 25 +* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof10Andy Walker
8 Apr 25 i+* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof6Keith Thompson
9 Apr 25 ii+* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof4Alan Mackenzie
9 Apr 25 iii`* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof3Alan Mackenzie
9 Apr 25 iii `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof2Alan Mackenzie
9 Apr 25 iii  `- Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof1Alan Mackenzie
11 Apr 25 ii`- Re: Does Mathematics Exist? (was Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof)1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
8 Apr 25 i`* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof3Andy Walker
9 Apr 25 i `* Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof2Richard Damon
14 Apr 25 i  `- Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof1Lawrence D'Oliveiro
11 Apr 25 `- Re: Does Mathematics Exist? (was Re: Cantor Diagonal Proof)1Lawrence D'Oliveiro

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