Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem) --- mindless robots

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Sujet : Re: DDD simulated by HHH cannot possibly halt (Halting Problem) --- mindless robots
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Date : 22. Apr 2025, 13:47:35
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Am Mon, 14 Apr 2025 16:43:28 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 4/14/2025 6:52 AM, dbush wrote:
On 4/14/2025 7:46 AM, olcott wrote:
>
Such an HHH works fine when the input DD is not attempting to do the
opposite of whatever this HHH reports. This is not a problem though.
DD merely changes its own behavior through the pathological
self-reference that it implements.
Category error. DD is an algorithm, i.e. a fixed immutable sequence of
instructions, therefore "changing its behavior" is impossible.  It only
does exactly what its instructions say.
One version of DD is defined to screw with HHH.
There is only one DD.

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Am Sat, 20 Jul 2024 12:35:31 +0000 schrieb WM in sci.math:
It is not guaranteed that n+1 exists for every n.

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