Re: Computable Functions --- finite string transformation rules --- 0 ≠1

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Sujet : Re: Computable Functions --- finite string transformation rules --- 0 ≠1
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 01. May 2025, 05:23:09
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On 4/29/2025 5:06 AM, joes wrote:
Am Mon, 28 Apr 2025 16:49:05 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 4/28/2025 3:23 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 28.apr.2025 om 22:10 schreef olcott:
On 4/28/2025 3:02 PM, dbush wrote:
 
So when you hypothesize changing the code of the function HHH, you're
hypothesizing changing the input algorithm DD.
Changing the input is not allowed.
Of the freaking infinite set of every damn HHH/DD pair that can
possibly exist where DD is emulated by HHH according to the finite
string transformation rules of the x86 language NOT A DAMN ONE OF THE
EMULATED DD HALTS.
Because they all were prevented to halt by HHH, which aborts the
simulation prematurely.
Factually incorrect and apparently way over your head.
Does HHH not abort?
 
The abort is the effect, not the cause.
The cause is that DD specifies recursive
emulation.
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