Re: Halting Problem: What Constitutes Pathological Input

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Sujet : Re: Halting Problem: What Constitutes Pathological Input
De : F.Zwarts (at) *nospam* HetNet.nl (Fred. Zwarts)
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Date : 06. May 2025, 11:22:12
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Op 06.mei.2025 om 07:54 schreef olcott:
On 5/6/2025 12:49 AM, Richard Heathfield wrote:
On 06/05/2025 00:29, olcott wrote:
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It is the problem incorrect specification that creates
the contradiction.
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Not at all. The contradiction arises from the fact that it is not possible to construct a universal decider.
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Everyone here insists that functions computed
by models of computation can ignore inputs and
base their output on something else.
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I don't think anyone's saying that.
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Maybe you don't read so well.
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 What are the exact steps for DD to be emulated by HHH
according to the semantics of the x86 language?
*Only an execution trace will do*
 [00002133] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002134] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002136] 51         push ecx      ; make space for local
[00002137] 6833210000 push 00002133 ; push DD
[0000213c] e882f4ffff call 000015c3 ; call HHH(DD)
[00002141] 83c404     add esp,+04
[00002144] 8945fc     mov [ebp-04],eax
[00002147] 837dfc00   cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[0000214b] 7402       jz 0000214f
[0000214d] ebfe       jmp 0000214d
[0000214f] 8b45fc     mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00002152] 8be5       mov esp,ebp
[00002154] 5d         pop ebp
[00002155] c3         ret
Size in bytes:(0035) [00002155]
 
Why repeating invalid questions that have been rebutted already?
First of all a correct HHH does not exists, so it makes no sense to ask for a trace of a correct HHH.
Secondly, a correct trace of the simulation of the input we are talking about has been created by HHH1. It was olcott himself who has created it.

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