Re: What. A. Slog.

On 5/14/2025 2:11 AM, vallor wrote:

Spent a couple of hours reading back the last few days of posts.  Huboy,
what a train wreck.  (But like a train wreck, it's hard to look
away, which might explain how this has been going on for 20(?) years.)
 I want to thank both Richard's, wij, dbush, Mike, Keith, Fred,
Mikko, and anybody else I've forgotten for trying to explain to
Mr. Olcott and Mr. Flibble how you all see their claims.  I wanted to
point out three things:
 a) Mr. Olcott claims his HHH simulator detects an non-terminating
input and halts.  But others (I forget who) report that -- due
to a bug -- D would actually terminate on its own.  His HHH
simulator therefore gives the wrong answer.

void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
That is counter-factual. DDD correctly simulated by HHH
*would never stop running unless aborted*

 b) Mr. Olcott appears to agree with Turing at this point, but may
be unwilling to abandon the work he's spent so much time on.
 c) (I am not a doctor.)  After seeing Mr. Olcott's representations
of Professor Sipser's words, as well as the way he edits his posts,
as well as the way he ignores clear refutation, my personal,
non-professional, opinion is that he's more deluded than
outright dishonest.  Hopefully he can avoid the latter in the future.
 

It turns out that rhetoric does not really count as rebuttal.
Neither does changing my words and rebutting these changed words.

Finally, I agree with what others have posted:  this stuff doesn't belong
in comp.lang.c.  Mr. Olcott:  you actually have a few experts _and_
authorities in the C language reading you in this group.

void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
All of those "experts" say that DDD correctly
simulated by HHH will reach its "return" statement.
Any novice C programmer can see that this is not true.

 Perhaps
you should follow their suggestions?  (Since the description of your
algorithms are expressed in C, you might want to concentrate on that,
rather than the compilers assembler language output.)
 

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