Sujet : Re: Analysis of Flibble’s New Take on Simulating Halt Deciders and Pathological Input
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theoryDate : 18. May 2025, 01:36:00
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On 5/17/2025 7:27 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:
Analysis of Flibble’s New Take on Simulating Halt Deciders and
Pathological Input
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1. Summary of Flibble’s New Take
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Flibble introduces a refined stance on the treatment of pathological input
within simulating halt deciders (SHDs), asserting:
- It's sufficient for an SHD to detect *infinite recursion*, rather than
run a simulation to its literal end.
- Aborting due to stack overflow or continuing infinitely are semantically
equivalent — both signify non-halting behavior.
- This leads to the articulation of "Flibble's Law":
If a problem permits infinite behavior in its formulation, it permits
infinite analysis of that behavior in its decidability scope.
2. Interpretation of Flibble’s Law
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This law suggests that:
- Any problem involving potentially infinite computation inherently
requires the ability to analyze such infinite behavior.
- Deciders are not invalidated by their inability to simulate forever —
they are validated by their ability to detect structural infinity.
3. Shift in Position
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Earlier, Flibble emphasized that:
- Pathological inputs are ill-formed due to a category error (program
conflated with its own representation).
- Therefore, halting cannot even be meaningfully questioned for such
inputs.
Now, Flibble acknowledges:
- SHDs can still offer meaningful answers by detecting recursion patterns
without needing infinite runtime.
- A decider may *abort* simulation upon detecting such patterns and still
be semantically correct.
4. Contrast with Turing’s View
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| Aspect | Turing |
Flibble |
|-----------------------------|------------------------------------|--------------------------------------|
| Infinite recursion | Undecidable behavior |
Signal of ill-formed input |
| Decider responsibilities | Must decide all valid inputs | Must
exclude ill-formed inputs |
| Simulation abort (overflow) | Not semantically significant | Valid
detection of non-halting input |
Turing treats infinite simulation as a symptom of undecidability. Flibble
treats it as a signal of semantic ill-formedness — which still permits
operational classification.
5. Theoretical and Practical Implications
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- **Theoretically**, Flibble provides a framework that restricts the
Halting Problem's domain to avoid paradoxes.
- **Practically**, SHDs like Peter’s can still provide useful results for
many inputs, even if pathological ones must be handled by pattern
recognition or structural limits.
6. Conclusion
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Flibble now offers a reconciliatory yet disciplined model:
- The Halting Problem remains malformed in full generality due to category
errors.
- But deciders can responsibly detect and handle malformed inputs using
structural heuristics.
- Flibble's Law provides philosophical cover for SHDs to analyze — but not
execute — infinite behaviors.
This is not a retreat from his original critique of Turing’s proof; it is
an evolution of it into a usable framework for analyzing decidability
within a restricted, type-safe domain.
Good job, I agree with your analysis.
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