Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem

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Sujet : Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem
De : dbush.mobile (at) *nospam* gmail.com (dbush)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 03. Jun 2025, 13:45:06
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On 6/2/2025 10:58 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
Even if presented with /direct observations/ contradicting his position, PO can (will) just invent new magical thinking that only he is smart enough to understand, in order to somehow justify his busted intuitions.
My favorite is that the directly executed D(D) doesn't halt even though it looks like it does:
On 1/24/24 19:18, olcott wrote:
 > The directly executed D(D) reaches a final state and exits normally.
 > BECAUSE ANOTHER ASPECT OF THE SAME COMPUTATION HAS BEEN ABORTED,
 > Thus meeting the correct non-halting criteria if any step of
 > a computation must be aborted to prevent its infinite execution
 > then this computation DOES NOT HALT (even if it looks like it does).

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29 May 25 * Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem238olcott
30 May 25 +- Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem1Richard Damon
30 May 25 `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem236Mikko
30 May 25  `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem235olcott
31 May 25   +* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem175Richard Damon
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31 May 25   i +* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem168dbush
31 May 25   i i`* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem167olcott
31 May 25   i i +* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem165dbush
31 May 25   i i i`* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem164olcott
31 May 25   i i i `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem163dbush
31 May 25   i i i  `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem162Mike Terry
1 Jun 25   i i i   `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem161olcott
1 Jun 25   i i i    +* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem159Mike Terry
1 Jun 25   i i i    i`* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem158olcott
1 Jun 25   i i i    i `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem157Mike Terry
1 Jun 25   i i i    i  `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem156olcott
1 Jun 25   i i i    i   +- Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem1Richard Damon
1 Jun 25   i i i    i   +- Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem1dbush
1 Jun 25   i i i    i   `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem153Mike Terry
1 Jun 25   i i i    i    +* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem13olcott
2 Jun 25   i i i    i    i+* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem3Richard Damon
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2 Jun 25   i i i    i    ii `- Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem1Richard Damon
2 Jun 25   i i i    i    i`* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem9Mike Terry
2 Jun 25   i i i    i    i `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem8olcott
2 Jun 25   i i i    i    i  +* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem3Fred. Zwarts
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2 Jun 25   i i i    i    i  `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem4Mike Terry
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2 Jun 25   i i i    i    i    `* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem2Mike Terry
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3 Jun 25   i i i    i    ii`* Re: Simulation vs. Execution in the Halting Problem3Richard Damon
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