Re: Every HHH(DDD) is correct to reject its input

On 6/5/25 12:01 PM, olcott wrote:

On 6/5/2025 2:42 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-04 15:00:07 +0000, olcott said:
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On 6/4/2025 2:39 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-02 05:12:26 +0000, olcott said:
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On 6/1/2025 6:20 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-05-31 19:21:10 +0000, olcott said:
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On 5/31/2025 2:11 PM, Mr Flibble wrote:

Olcott is doing this:
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int main()
{
DDD(); // DDD calls HHH
}
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This is incorrect as it is a category (type) error in the form of
conflation of the EXECUTION of DDD with the SIMULATION of DDD: to
completely and correctly simulate/analyse DDD there must be no execution
of DDD prior to the simulation of DDD.
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Olcott should be doing this:
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int main()
{
HHH(DDD);
}

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I would have left it there except that many dozens of
reviewers have pointed out that they believe that HHH
is supposed to report on the behavior of its caller.

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A halt decider is required to report on the computation it is asked
about. There is no requirement that a halt decider knows or can find
out whether it is called by the program about which is required to
report. Consequently, whether the computaton asked about calls the
decider is irrelevant.

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void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
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The *input* to simulating termination analyzer HHH(DDD)
specifies recursive simulation that can never reach its
*simulated "return" instruction final halt state*

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If it does then the "input" is not DDD, which specifies a halting
behaviour if HHH is a decider.

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You can say these things only by making
sure to ignore the verified facts.

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We can ignore irrelevant facts. But if you ignore relevant requirements
you can't prove that your soliution is correct.
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 As long as DDD emulated by HHH cannot possibly reach
its own "return" instruction final halt state then
DDD is non halting even if it is never simulated.
 

Nope, since non-halting is DEFINED by what WOULD happen if correct executed or simulated, so ANY HHH that aborts its simulation and returns 0 is looking at the DDD created from it, and the correctx simulation of this input will halt.
This the input represents a Halting Computation, even if we don't perform that simulation.
Sorry, you are just showing that you have been basing your logic on lies.