Re: Everyone on this forum besides Keith has been a damned liar about this point

On 6/11/2025 3:23 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-10 16:07:56 +0000, olcott said:
 

On 6/10/2025 6:59 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-09 14:38:02 +0000, olcott said:
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On 6/9/2025 2:56 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-09 02:50:59 +0000, olcott said:
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void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
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The *input* to simulating termination analyzer HHH(DDD)
specifies recursive simulation that can never reach its
*simulated "return" instruction final halt state*
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*Every rebuttal to this changes the words*

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Being called a "liar" by a liar does not damn.
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As is clear from the above C code, DDD() specifies what HHH specifies
for the case it is called with DDD as the only argument. In particular,
if HHH specifies a recursive for that case then so does DDD. And if
HHH specifies a recursive simulation that can never reach its final
halt state then so does DDD. And if HHH specifies a non-halting
behaviour so does DDD. Etc.

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That is not quite the way that it actually works.

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Yes it is. If it were not you would have pointed where there is an
error.

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I only point out the first error and the skip the rest of the post.
I usually have to point out the same error dozens of times before
anyone notices that I said anything at all. That is why I skip the
rest of the post after the first error.

 You did neither when you claimed "That is not quite the way that it
actually works".
 

That you erased that part and then said that
I never said anything is dishonest.
On 6/9/2025 9:38 AM, olcott wrote:
 > That is not quite the way that it actually works.
 >
 > <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
 >      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its
 >      input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D
 >      would never stop running unless aborted then
 >
 >      H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
 >      specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
 > </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
 >
 > DDD emulated by HHH, the directly executed DDD()
 > and the directly executed HHH() would never stop
 > running unless HHH aborts its simulation of DDD.
 >
 > *According to the above criteria that means*
 >
 > When DDD does abort its simulation of DDD then
 > HHH correctly reports that its input specifies
 > a non-halting sequence of configurations.
 >
 > I am trying to come up with the most reasonable way to
 > handle a pathological input. The official "received view"
 > answer is: "nothing can be done there is no answer."
 > I really don't think that is the best possible answer.
 >
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