Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?

On 2025-06-22 16:37:37 +0000, olcott said:

On 6/22/2025 3:47 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-21 17:33:10 +0000, olcott said:
 

On 6/21/2025 4:46 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-20 17:12:30 +0000, olcott said:
 

On 6/20/2025 3:45 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-19 09:09:34 +0000, Fred. Zwarts said:
 

Op 19.jun.2025 om 08:59 schreef olcott:

On 6/19/2025 1:17 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-18 13:46:16 +0000, olcott said:
 

On 6/18/2025 5:12 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:

Op 18.jun.2025 om 03:54 schreef olcott:

On 6/17/2025 8:19 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 6/17/25 4:34 PM, olcott wrote:

void Infinite_Recursion()
{
   Infinite_Recursion();
   return;
}
 void Infinite_Loop()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
   return;
}
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
 When it is understood that HHH does simulate itself
simulating DDD then any first year CS student knows
that when each of the above are correctly simulated
by HHH that none of them ever stop running unless aborted.

 WHich means that the code for HHH is part of the input, and thus there is just ONE HHH in existance at this time.
 Since that code aborts its simulation to return the answer that you claim, you are just lying that it did a correct simulation (which in this context means complete)
 

 *none of them ever stop running unless aborted*

 All of them do abort and their simulation does not need an abort.
 

 *It is not given that any of them abort*

 It is known a priori that HHH either does or does not abort.

 Very good.
 

If HHH does
not abort it does not terminate the simulation of DDD and therefore

 DDD never stops running.

 because HHH never stops running and therefore this HHH
 

 

does
not report correctly. If HHH does abort it reports that DDD does not
halt, which is incorrect as in that case DDD does halt. HHH is correct
about DDD only if it does abort its simulation and reports "halts".
But you HHH does not do that.
 

 

 So, both the aborting and the non-aborting HHH do not provide a correct report.

 My HHH, if given DDD for input, does abort and does give the correct report
but gives the worng report if given DD.

 My claim is that each of the above functions correctly
simulated by any termination analyzer HHH that can possibly
exist will never stop running unless aborted by HHH.
Can you affirm or correctly refute this?

 No, because that is not well claimed. You have used "HHH" in at least
two different meanings and it is not clear which meaning is intended.

 *clearer words*
My claim is that each of the above functions correctly
simulated by any termination analyzer HHH that can possibly
exist will never stop running unless aborted by HHH.
Can you affirm or correctly refute this?

 Not sufficiently clearer than the previous attempt.

 Since you did not say exactly what seems unclear to
you I am taking this as a dishonest dodge away from the point.

You are lying. I did say. Your second attermpt does not clarify what
I did say was unclear. You didn't say what it did clarify, so
apparently nothing. You just claimed that an exact copy is clearer.
--
Mikko