Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?

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Sujet : Re: How do simulating termination analyzers work?
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 28. Jun 2025, 14:48:36
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On 6/28/2025 6:50 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-06-27 23:26:07 +0000, olcott said:
 
On 6/26/2025 4:35 AM, Mikko wrote:

On 2025-06-25 14:40:35 +0000, olcott said:
>
>
A termination analyzer correctly determines the halt
status of an input program specification for every
input that this program can take. A program specification
taking  zero inputs is merely the simpler case of this
same algorithm.
>
So you do. Perhapts it is a matter of taste but honest people
prefer to call a spade a "spade" and not an "earthmover" or a
"manually operated earthmover".
>
Every input that a program can take logically includes
programs that take no inputs.
 Yes. But the meaning of "termination analyzer" excludes analyzers
that don't analyze programs that do take inputs.
 
Line  506 has the original: u32 H(ptr P, ptr I)
Line 1243 has the original: void P(ptr x)
https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm/blob/master/Halt7.c
*I had to dumb it down to this*
int main()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   DDD();
}
*And people still do not understand*
*Termination Analysis without the Tears*
https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~zkincaid/pub/pldi21.pdf
On page three a code snippet is analyzed that takes
no input and its not even a function.
--
Copyright 2025 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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