Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method

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Sujet : Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method
De : rjh (at) *nospam* cpax.org.uk (Richard Heathfield)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 02. Jul 2025, 11:12:22
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On 01/07/2025 02:10, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/30/25 1:00 PM, olcott wrote:
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One line of C source-code is a C statement.
If we didn't already have all the proof we needed that Mr O doesn't know spit about C, it's right there in that claim.
Counter-examples are trivial to construct. A line of C source code may indeed represent a single C statement, but it could also represent several, or none at all. The idea of a 1-to-1 correspondence is simply misconceived.
#include <stdio.h>
int main(void)
{
   puts("Hello, world!"); return 0;
}
6 lines of C source-code, and only three statements.
Line 1: no statements
Line 2: no statements
Line 3: no statements
Line 4: a small fraction of a compound statement
Line 5: two statements
Line 6: closing off that compound statement
See? Three lines of C source code with no statements. And the best that can be said for Mr Olcott is that the other three have one statement per line *on average*!
And Mr Olcott loves to tell experienced C programmers that they don't know the language. Kinda cute, eh?
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26 Jun 25 * Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method82Alan Mackenzie
26 Jun 25 `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method81olcott
27 Jun 25  +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method60olcott
29 Jun10:18  i`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method59Mikko
29 Jun15:09  i +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method57olcott
29 Jun20:26  i i+* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method13olcott
30 Jun03:46  i ii+* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method11Richard Damon
30 Jun04:05  i iii`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method10olcott
30 Jun12:28  i iii `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method9Richard Damon
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2 Jul02:25  i iii    i  +- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Richard Damon
2 Jul21:40  i iii    i  `- Logic proves that Peter Olcott is just a liar.1Richard Damon
2 Jul11:12  i iii    `- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Richard Heathfield
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3 Jul09:57  i ii  +* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct19Mikko
3 Jul13:56  i ii  i`* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct18olcott
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4 Jul14:22  i ii  i   +* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct7joes
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4 Jul19:25  i ii  i      `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct4olcott
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4 Jul23:24  i ii  i        `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct2olcott
5 Jul08:33  i ii  i         `- Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct1Fred. Zwarts
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3 Jul15:39  i ii   `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct11olcott
3 Jul15:50  i ii    `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct10Richard Damon
3 Jul16:17  i ii     `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct9olcott
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4 Jul01:22  i ii      i `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct3Richard Damon
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4 Jul08:42  i ii      `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct3Mikko
4 Jul13:57  i ii       `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct2olcott
5 Jul08:30  i ii        `- Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct1Fred. Zwarts
30 Jun09:39  i i`- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Mikko
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27 Jun 25  `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method20Richard Damon
27 Jun 25   `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method19olcott
27 Jun 25    `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method18Richard Damon
27 Jun 25     +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method12olcott
27 Jun 25     i`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method11Richard Damon
27 Jun 25     i `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method10olcott
27 Jun 25     i  `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method9Richard Damon
27 Jun 25     i   `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method8olcott
27 Jun 25     i    `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method7Richard Damon
27 Jun 25     i     `* ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior6olcott
27 Jun 25     i      +- Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior1Richard Damon
28 Jun 25     i      `* Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior4Richard Damon
28 Jun 25     i       `* Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior3olcott
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27 Jun 25     `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method5olcott
27 Jun 25      +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method3Alan Mackenzie
27 Jun 25      i`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method2olcott
27 Jun 25      i `- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Richard Damon
27 Jun 25      `- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Richard Damon

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