Logic proves that Peter Olcott is just a liar.

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Sujet : Logic proves that Peter Olcott is just a liar.
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 02. Jul 2025, 21:40:20
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On 7/1/25 8:07 AM, olcott wrote:
*DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot possibly reach*
*its own simulated "return" statement final halt state*
This statement is NOT true if HHH is a Halt Decider.
Your logic is all based on DDD being a singular entity, which doesn't change through your logic, or else you can't use the fact that "DDD correctly simulated" means anything, if DDD is actually a variable.
To be true, HHH needs to be a correct simulator, and then the input DDD needs to be defined to include the code of the HHH that it calls (dispite your attempts to say otherwise) and a "Correct Simuliaton of the input" needs to simulate JUST the input, and thus to simulate the call to HHH, the code for HHH must be part of the input.
Note, this means that DDD has been defined, and that definition includes the code for HHH, which means that HHH has also been defined to be that exact code, and nothing else, and thus for the statement to be true, the one and only HHH that exists needs to be a correct simulator.
As you have shown, when HHH is a correct simulator, it will never reach its final state, and thus it will never halt, and thus can't be a decider, since deciders alwaus halt.
Thus, you statement is just not true if HHH is a Halt Decider, and thus you statement is based on the assumption of an impossible case.
The fundamental issue is that for there to BE a "Correct Simulation", and there to be only one DDD, the definition of DDD must include the code for HHH, and thus there is only one HHH, so if THIS HHH doesn't do a correct simulation, NO HHH (since it is the only one) does a correct simulation.
And, as has been shown, if THIS HHH does a correct simulation, it doesn't answer and thus isn't a decider.
Your problem is you brain just can't seem to keep the rules that you yourself impose on your system in place and keep you system compatible with correct logic.
This shows the fundamental brokeness of your mental abilities, as it seems you are unable to keep your mental view of the world / system under discussion consistant with its reality.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
26 Jun 25 * Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method58Alan Mackenzie
26 Jun 25 `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method57olcott
27 Jun14:57  +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method36olcott
29 Jun10:18  i`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method35Mikko
29 Jun15:09  i +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method33olcott
29 Jun20:26  i i+* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method13olcott
30 Jun03:46  i ii+* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method11Richard Damon
30 Jun04:05  i iii`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method10olcott
30 Jun12:28  i iii `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method9Richard Damon
30 Jun18:00  i iii  `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method8olcott
1 Jul02:10  i iii   `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method7Richard Damon
1 Jul02:26  i iii    +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method5olcott
1 Jul12:28  i iii    i`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method4Richard Damon
1 Jul13:07  i iii    i `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method3olcott
2 Jul02:25  i iii    i  +- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Richard Damon
2 Jul21:40  i iii    i  `- Logic proves that Peter Olcott is just a liar.1Richard Damon
2 Jul11:12  i iii    `- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Richard Heathfield
30 Jun09:47  i ii`- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Mikko
30 Jun03:39  i i+* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method18Richard Damon
1 Jul02:12  i ii`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method17Richard Damon
1 Jul02:34  i ii +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method8olcott
1 Jul09:28  i ii i+* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method4Fred. Zwarts
1 Jul12:52  i ii ii`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method3olcott
2 Jul02:28  i ii ii +- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Richard Damon
2 Jul09:37  i ii ii `- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Fred. Zwarts
1 Jul12:32  i ii i`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method3Richard Damon
1 Jul12:55  i ii i `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method2olcott
2 Jul02:31  i ii i  `- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Richard Damon
3 Jul03:50  i ii `* HHH(DDD)==0 is correct8olcott
3 Jul09:57  i ii  +* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct3Mikko
3 Jul13:56  i ii  i`* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct2olcott
3 Jul15:24  i ii  i `- Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct1Richard Damon
3 Jul15:16  i ii  `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct4Richard Damon
3 Jul15:39  i ii   `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct3olcott
3 Jul15:50  i ii    `* Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct2Richard Damon
3 Jul16:17  i ii     `- Re: HHH(DDD)==0 is correct1olcott
30 Jun09:39  i i`- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Mikko
30 Jun09:28  i `- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Mikko
27 Jun15:06  `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method20Richard Damon
27 Jun15:44   `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method19olcott
27 Jun16:59    `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method18Richard Damon
27 Jun17:16     +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method12olcott
27 Jun18:54     i`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method11Richard Damon
27 Jun20:11     i `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method10olcott
27 Jun20:24     i  `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method9Richard Damon
27 Jun20:43     i   `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method8olcott
27 Jun20:55     i    `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method7Richard Damon
27 Jun21:10     i     `* ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior6olcott
27 Jun22:42     i      +- Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior1Richard Damon
28 Jun02:12     i      `* Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior4Richard Damon
28 Jun02:20     i       `* Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior3olcott
28 Jun04:07     i        `* Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior2Richard Damon
28 Jun14:04     i         `- Re: ChatGPT, Gemini, Grok and Claude all agree the input to HHH(DDD) specifies non-terminating behavior1Richard Damon
27 Jun17:34     `* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method5olcott
27 Jun18:27      +* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method3Alan Mackenzie
27 Jun19:11      i`* Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method2olcott
27 Jun20:24      i `- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Richard Damon
27 Jun18:50      `- Re: ChatGPT agrees that HHH refutes the standard halting problem proof method1Richard Damon

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