Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller

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Sujet : Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 07. Jul 2025, 09:37:43
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On 2025-07-07 03:12:30 +0000, olcott said:

On 7/6/2025 9:09 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/6/25 4:06 PM, olcott wrote:
On 7/6/2025 12:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/6/25 11:19 AM, olcott wrote:
 void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
   return;
}
 *EVERY BOT FIGURES THIS OUT ON ITS OWN*
 No, it just isn't smart enough to detect that you lied in your premise.
 
There is no way that DDD simulated by HHH (according
to the semantics of the C programming language)
can possibly reach its own "return" statement final
halt state.
 And there is no way for HHH to correctly simulate its input and return an answer
 
 You insistence that a non-terminating input be simulated
until non-existent completion is especially nuts because
you have been told about this dozens of times.
 What the F is wrong with you?
 
 It seems you don't understand those words.
 I don't say that the decider needs to simulate the input to completion, but that it needs to be able to actually PROVE that if this exact input WAS given to a correct simultor (which won't be itself, since it isn't doing the complete simulation) will run for an unbounded number of steps.
 No decider is ever allowed to report on anything
besides the actual behavior that its input actually
specifies.
Unless you can quote some respectable author your prohibitions are
meaningless.

Most people here don't get that because they have no
actual depth of understanding. They can only parrot
the words of textbooks.
Do you even understand what the word "allowed" means?
--
Mikko

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4 Jul 25 i i     `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller133Richard Damon
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6 Jul05:34 i i      i    `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller117olcott
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6 Jul12:50 i i      i     `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller115Richard Damon
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6 Jul21:06 i i      i        `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller112olcott
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9 Jul10:09 i i      i         i i i     i  +* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller7Fred. Zwarts
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9 Jul14:55 i i      i         i i i     i   `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike20olcott
10 Jul02:49 i i      i         i i i     i    `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike19Richard Damon
10 Jul03:50 i i      i         i i i     i     `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike18olcott
10 Jul12:35 i i      i         i i i     i      `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike17Richard Damon
10 Jul14:24 i i      i         i i i     i       `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike16olcott
11 Jul01:04 i i      i         i i i     i        `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike15Richard Damon
11 Jul01:27 i i      i         i i i     i         `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike14olcott
11 Jul03:10 i i      i         i i i     i          `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike13Richard Damon
11 Jul03:33 i i      i         i i i     i           `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike12olcott
11 Jul09:55 i i      i         i i i     i            +* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike8Fred. Zwarts
11 Jul15:27 i i      i         i i i     i            i`* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike7olcott
11 Jul15:31 i i      i         i i i     i            i +* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike5Fred. Zwarts
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12 Jul00:46 i i      i         i i i     i            i ii`- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike1Richard Damon
11 Jul22:27 i i      i         i i i     i            i i`* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike2olcott
12 Jul00:53 i i      i         i i i     i            i i `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike1Richard Damon
12 Jul00:41 i i      i         i i i     i            i `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike1Richard Damon
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12 Jul00:55 i i      i         i i i     i              `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller --- Mike1Richard Damon
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8 Jul23:51 i i      i         i i i      `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller2olcott
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8 Jul09:17 i i      i         i i `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Fred. Zwarts
7 Jul09:37 i i      i         i +* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller12Mikko
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8 Jul08:44 i i      i         i i `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller9Mikko
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9 Jul09:22 i i      i         i i   `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller7Mikko
9 Jul13:25 i i      i         i i    `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller6olcott
10 Jul03:00 i i      i         i i     +- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Richard Damon
10 Jul10:30 i i      i         i i     `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller4Mikko
10 Jul15:26 i i      i         i i      `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller3olcott
11 Jul09:36 i i      i         i i       `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller2Mikko
7 Jul12:19 i i      i         i `* Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller29Richard Damon
7 Jul09:34 i i      i         `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Mikko
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4 Jun 25 i `- Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller1Richard Damon
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