Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller

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Sujet : Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 13. Jul 2025, 22:59:28
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On 7/13/2025 4:22 PM, olcott wrote:
On 7/13/2025 3:37 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/13/25 11:48 AM, olcott wrote:
On 7/12/2025 6:27 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 7/12/25 11:16 AM, olcott wrote:
On 7/12/2025 5:52 AM, joes wrote:
Am Fri, 11 Jul 2025 16:13:38 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 7/11/2025 3:59 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>
As usual claims without evidence. If we do not change the input (which
aborts after a few cycles o simulation), then the simulating HHH could
reach the final halt state without abort.
>
It is a very easily verified fact that the input never aborts anything
at all.
>
Only because it is aborted in turn.
>
HHH(DDD) simulates its input until it sees that
DDD cannot possibly stop running unless aborted.
>
Then why does the direct execution of DDD halt?
>
>
The direct execution is a different sequence of steps
because it is reaping the benefits of HHH having already
aborted its own input.
>
>
So?
>
 Its nuts to expect the exact same behavior
from a different sequence of steps.
 HHH1(DDD)==1 and HHH(DDD)==0 are both correct and
are different because they measure a different
sequence of steps.
 
Claude.ai agrees
https://claude.ai/share/da9b8e3f-eb16-42ca-a9e8-913f4b88202c
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