Re: hey polcott, you hear about AI psychosis???

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Sujet : Re: hey polcott, you hear about AI psychosis???
De : 643-408-1753 (at) *nospam* kylheku.com (Kaz Kylheku)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 23. Oct 2025, 22:34:22
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On 2025-10-23, olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/23/2025 3:13 AM, dart200 wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkGk_A4noxI
 
>
That you are unable to pay close enough attention to
understand my proof is no error on my part.

I've never seen you present any body of statements
that even begins to look like a proof.

The halting problem is a category error because
it requires a halting decider to compute a value
other then what its actual input actually specifies.

False claim and not a proof.

Turing machine deciders only compute the mapping
from their finite string inputs to an accept state
or reject state on the basis that this input finite
string specifies a semantic or syntactic property.

True background remark, but not a proof of anything.

This means that the ultimate measure of the behavior
that a finite string input D specifies is D correctly
simulated by simulating halt decider H.

Without H being specified, it means nothing.

Not every simulating decider H whatsoever is correct.

When an input D specifies a terminating procedure, then interpreting the
steps of D all the way, correctly following the semantics of whatever
language in which it is specified, all the way through to termination,
provides a "measure" of D's terminating behavior.

Non-terminating inputs cannot be "measured" by simulation, the
simulation of a nonterminating procedure always reports that there is
more of the behavior left to measure.

Your example DD is "measurable"; it halts, and a pure simulator
like your HHH1 confirms it.

The halting problem requires that halt deciders do what
no Turing machine deicider can do report on the semantic
property of non-inputs.

An assertion without proof; no proof to be seen anywhere.

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23 Oct 25 * hey polcott, you hear about AI psychosis???77dart200
23 Oct 25 `* Re: hey polcott, you hear about AI psychosis???76olcott
23 Oct 25  `* Re: hey polcott, you hear about AI psychosis???75Kaz Kylheku
24 Oct 25   `* "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---74olcott
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24 Oct 25    i i`* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---57olcott
24 Oct 25    i i `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---56dbush
24 Oct 25    i i  `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---55olcott
24 Oct 25    i i   +* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---5dbush
24 Oct 25    i i   i`* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---4olcott
24 Oct 25    i i   i `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---3dbush
24 Oct 25    i i   i  `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---2olcott
24 Oct 25    i i   i   `- Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---1dbush
26 Oct 25    i i   `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---49Mikko Levanto
26 Oct 25    i i    `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---48Tristan Wibberley
27 Oct 25    i i     `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---47Mikko
27 Oct 25    i i      `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---46olcott
27 Oct 25    i i       +* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---3Alan Mackenzie
27 Oct 25    i i       i`* HHH(DD) is very obviously correct to reject its input2olcott
27 Oct 25    i i       i `- Re: HHH(DD) is very obviously correct to reject its input1Chris M. Thomasson
28 Oct 25    i i       `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---42Mikko
28 Oct 25    i i        `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---41olcott
29 Oct 25    i i         `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---40Mikko
29 Oct 25    i i          `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---39olcott
29 Oct 25    i i           +* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---25Kaz Kylheku
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30 Oct 25    i i           i i i     `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---4Kaz Kylheku
30 Oct 25    i i           i i i      `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---3olcott
30 Oct 25    i i           i i i       `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---2Kaz Kylheku
30 Oct 25    i i           i i i        `- Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---1Kaz Kylheku
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30 Oct 25    i i           i i   `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---3joes
30 Oct 25    i i           i i    `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---2olcott
30 Oct 25    i i           i i     `- Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---1Kaz Kylheku
30 Oct 25    i i           i `- Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---1Chris M. Thomasson
30 Oct 25    i i           `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---13Mikko
30 Oct 25    i i            `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---12olcott
31 Oct 25    i i             `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---11Mikko
31 Oct 25    i i              `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---10olcott
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1 Nov 25    i i                `* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---8olcott
1 Nov 25    i i                 +* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---6Kaz Kylheku
1 Nov 25    i i                 i`* Re: "there will still be a nested simulation tower" Kaz ---5olcott
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