Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance

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Sujet : Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 28. Oct 2025, 15:37:16
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On 10/28/2025 3:35 AM, joes wrote:
Am Sat, 25 Oct 2025 14:31:45 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 10/25/2025 4:40 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-10-24 19:49:51 +0000, olcott said:
On 10/24/2025 3:34 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-10-23 21:52:10 +0000, Chris M. Thomasson said:
On 10/23/2025 2:33 AM, Mikko wrote:
 
Irrelevant to the fact that DD halts.
>
DD can halt. Or, it can go into an infinite loop... It all depends
on what HHH(DD) returns...
>
Which is known. Olcott has specified that (at least when otherwise is
not speified) HHH always means the function HHH stored in GitHub.
That function reuturns 0 for HHH(DD).
>
You keep stupidly acting like as soon as you know that you will not be
hungry after you eat dinner that you never need to eat again.
>
HHH(DD) must abort its input to prevent its own non-termination.
>
All of above lies and truths is irrelevant to the facts that Olcott has
specified that (at least when otherwise is not speified) HHH always
means the function HHH stored in GitHub and that that function reuturns
0 for HHH(DD).
>
No it fucking does not. I fucking stipulate otherwise.
 You can stipulate all you want, but HHH(DD) returns 0.
 
int D()
{
   int Halt_Status = H(D);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
H simulates D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
until H sees this repeating pattern.
When simulating halt decider H is reporting on the
behavior that its input specifies then H is correct
to reject D as non-halting.
Deciders only compute a mapping from their actual
inputs. Computing the mapping from non-inputs is
outside of the scope of Turing machines.
--
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Date Sujet#  Auteur
18 Oct 25 * Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance48Mikko
18 Oct 25 `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance47olcott
19 Oct 25  +* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance44Mikko
19 Oct 25  i`* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance43olcott
20 Oct 25  i `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance42Mikko
20 Oct 25  i  `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance41olcott
20 Oct 25  i   +* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance2Chris M. Thomasson
20 Oct 25  i   i`- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1Chris M. Thomasson
21 Oct 25  i   `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance38Mikko
22 Oct 25  i    `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance37olcott
22 Oct 25  i     +* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance26Mikko
22 Oct 25  i     i`* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance25olcott
23 Oct 25  i     i `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance24Mikko
23 Oct 25  i     i  +* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance10olcott
23 Oct 25  i     i  i+* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance2dbush
24 Oct 25  i     i  ii`- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1Mikko
24 Oct 25  i     i  i`* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance7Mikko
24 Oct 25  i     i  i `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance6olcott
24 Oct 25  i     i  i  +- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1dbush
25 Oct 25  i     i  i  `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance4Mikko
25 Oct 25  i     i  i   `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance3olcott
25 Oct 25  i     i  i    +- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1Chris M. Thomasson
26 Oct 25  i     i  i    `- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1Mikko
23 Oct 25  i     i  `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance13Chris M. Thomasson
24 Oct 25  i     i   `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance12Mikko
24 Oct 25  i     i    +* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance3Richard Heathfield
24 Oct 25  i     i    i`* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance2olcott
24 Oct 25  i     i    i `- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1Chris M. Thomasson
24 Oct 25  i     i    +* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance7olcott
25 Oct 25  i     i    i`* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance6Mikko
25 Oct 25  i     i    i `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance5olcott
25 Oct 25  i     i    i  +- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1Chris M. Thomasson
26 Oct 25  i     i    i  +- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1Mikko Levanto
28 Oct 25  i     i    i  `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance2joes
28 Oct 25  i     i    i   `- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1olcott
25 Oct 25  i     i    `- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1Chris M. Thomasson
28 Oct 25  i     `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance10joes
28 Oct 25  i      +* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance5olcott
28 Oct 25  i      i`* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance4joes
28 Oct 25  i      i `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance3olcott
28 Oct 25  i      i  `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance2joes
28 Oct 25  i      i   `- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1olcott
28 Oct 25  i      `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance4Kaz Kylheku
28 Oct 25  i       `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance3olcott
29 Oct 25  i        +- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1Chris M. Thomasson
3 Nov 25  i        `- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1joes
19 Oct 25  `* Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance2Tristan Wibberley
19 Oct 25   `- Re: Two hypothetical possibilities --- HP decision problem instance1olcott

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