Re: D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line

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Sujet : Re: D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line
De : dbush.mobile (at) *nospam* gmail.com (dbush)
Groupes : comp.theory
Date : 28. Oct 2025, 21:18:57
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On 10/28/2025 4:15 PM, olcott wrote:
On 10/28/2025 11:44 AM, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
On 2025-10-28, Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> wrote:
But most of all I'm surprised PO's trace buffer would fill up, unless there is an infinite loop in
the picture.  (Your "infinite tower" would constitute such a loop, I guess, but then by the time you
need to compress, isn't it clear there's such an infinite loop, so no point going further?
>
The execution trace quickly fills up because when you have a doubly
nested simulation, it takes many instructions of the first level to
simulate each instruction of the second level.
>
Each interpretation level in an interpretation tower is vastly less
efficient than the one above.
>
The x86emu is particularly inefficient because it performs a detailed
simulation unconcerned with efficiency (executing as few host
instructions as possible to complete a target instruction).
>
Say that the interpretation ratio is 100: 100 instructions of host
for one instruction of target. To simulate just 100 instructions of the
second traced level, the first traced level has to execute 10,000
instructions.
>
If we could actually use "reckoning" to simulate the infinite tower
indefinitely, we could be counteracting this interpretation ratio,
because when the "reckoning" module takes over an abandoned simulation,
it effectively hoists it to its own level (the top level).
>
 Yet that is just cheating.
 int D()
{
   int Halt_Status = H(D);
   if (Halt_Status)
     HERE: goto HERE;
   return Halt_Status;
}
 H simulates D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
that calls H(D) to simulate D
until H sees this repeating pattern.
 Once H correctly determines that its
simulated D cannot possibly reach its
own simulated "return" statement
But it didn't correctly determine that, as proven by Kaz's code.

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25 Oct 25 * No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years199olcott
25 Oct 25 +- Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years1Bonita Montero
25 Oct 25 +* Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years2dbush
25 Oct 25 i`- Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years1Richard Heathfield
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25 Oct 25 i+- Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years1olcott
26 Oct 25 i`* Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years62olcott
27 Oct 25 i `* Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years61Kaz Kylheku
27 Oct 25 i  +* Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years55olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i+- Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years1dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i+- Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years1Chris M. Thomasson
27 Oct 25 i  i`* Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years52Kaz Kylheku
27 Oct 25 i  i `* A dishonest dodge is all that Kaz has51olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  +* Re: A dishonest dodge is all that Kaz has41dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i  i+* Re: A dishonest dodge is all that Kaz has2olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  ii`- Re: A dishonest dodge is all that Kaz has1dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i  i`* Re: A dishonest dodge is all that Kaz has38Kaz Kylheku
27 Oct 25 i  i  i `* Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit37olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i  +* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit5Kaz Kylheku
27 Oct 25 i  i  i  i+- Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit1olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i  i`* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit3Kaz Kylheku
27 Oct 25 i  i  i  i `* Kaz proves his deceit by dodging this simple point --- Is Kaz just a Liar ???2olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i  i  `- Re: Kaz proves his deceit by dodging this simple point --- Is Kaz just a Liar ???1Kaz Kylheku
27 Oct 25 i  i  i  `* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit31André G. Isaak
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   +* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit26olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i+- Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit1Chris M. Thomasson
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i+* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit14dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii`* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit13olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii `* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit12dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii  +* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit5olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii  i`* olcott tries to hide the evidence that he admitted the input to HHH(DD) is halting4dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii  i +* dbush is now dishonored in his deceit2olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii  i i`- olcott tries to hide the evidence that he admitted the input to HHH(DD) is halting1dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii  i `- dbush proves his deceit by dodging this simple point1olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii  `* Can someone from comp.lang.c or comp.lang.c++ help out here?6olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii   `* olcott tries to hide the evidence that he admitted the input to HHH(DD) is halting5dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii    `* dbush proves is deceit by dodging this simple point4olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii     `* olcott tries to hide the evidence that he admitted the input to HHH(DD) is halting3dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii      `* dbush proves his deceit by dodging this simple point --- dbush is a bot?2olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   ii       `- olcott tries to hide the evidence that he admitted the input to HHH(DD) is halting1dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i`* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit10Kaz Kylheku
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i +* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit4olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i i+- Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit1dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i i`* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit2Kaz Kylheku
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i i `- Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit1Chris M. Thomasson
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i `* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit5Tristan Wibberley
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i  `* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit4olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i   `* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit3Tristan Wibberley
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i    +- Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit1olcott
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27 Oct 25 i  i  i   +* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit2Janis Papanagnou
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   i`- Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit1olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  i   `* Re: Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit2Dan Cross
27 Oct 25 i  i  i    `- I am only in these groups because I have been cheated out of a fair review.1olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i  `* Re: A dishonest dodge is all that Kaz has9Kaz Kylheku
27 Oct 25 i  i   `* Re: A dishonest dodge is all that Kaz has --- Now dishonored in his deceit8olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i    +* Re: A dishonest dodge is all that Kaz has --- Now dishonored in his deceit5dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i    i`* dbush is now dishonored in his deceit4olcott
27 Oct 25 i  i    i `* Re: dbush is now dishonored in his deceit3dbush
27 Oct 25 i  i    i  `* Re: dbush is now dishonored in his deceit2olcott
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27 Oct 25 i  i    `* Re: A dishonest dodge is all that Kaz has --- Now dishonored in his deceit2Kaz Kylheku
27 Oct 25 i  i     `- Kaz is now dishonored in his deceit1olcott
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27 Oct 25 i   `* Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years4olcott
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27 Oct 25 i  `* Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years82olcott
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28 Oct 25 i   i        ii  i`* Re: Kaz is a damned liar2Kaz Kylheku
28 Oct 25 i   i        ii  i `- Re: Kaz is a damned liar1Chris M. Thomasson
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28 Oct 25 i   i        ii  i+* D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line31olcott
28 Oct 25 i   i        ii  ii+- Re: D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line1dbush
28 Oct 25 i   i        ii  ii`* Re: D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line29olcott
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28 Oct 25 i   i        ii  ii `* Re: D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line27Kaz Kylheku
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28 Oct 25 i   i        ii  ii  i+* Re: D simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own first line15Kaz Kylheku
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28 Oct 25 i   i        ii  i+* Re: PO Meltdown?8Kaz Kylheku
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27 Oct 25 i   `- Re: No human has been able to understand this simple C in three years1tTh
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