Re: x²+4x+5=0

Liste des GroupesRevenir à math 
Sujet : Re: x²+4x+5=0
De : james.g.burns (at) *nospam* att.net (Jim Burns)
Groupes : sci.math
Date : 26. Jan 2025, 22:15:47
Autres entêtes
Organisation : A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID : <bda0731b-a159-47c6-9d8a-0f55253df62c@att.net>
References : 1 2
User-Agent : Mozilla Thunderbird
On 1/23/2025 3:34 AM, Richard Hachel wrote:
Le 22/01/2025 à 14:48, Richard Hachel  a écrit :

x²+4x+5=0

What is this imaginary mirror curve?
It is the curve with equation y=-x²-4x-3

These are the imaginary roots of x²-4x+5.

The equation has only one and the same root (double)
which is obviously x=-2+i
 This is the imaginary solution for y=x²+4x+5
which has no solution in R.
 It is at the same time the solution for
its mirror curve y=-x²-4x-3
(we give i the values ​​-1 and 1, and we find x=-3 and x=-1.
x²-2 = 0 has no solutions in the rational line.
x²-2 = 0 has two solutions in the complete (real) line.
x²+4x+5=0 has no solutions in the (real) line.
x²+4x+5=0 has two solutions in the (complex) plane.
x²+4x+5 = (x-(-2-𝑖))(x-(-2+𝑖))  for 𝑖²=-1
-x²-4x-3 = -1⋅(x-(-1))(x-(-3))
----
Why is 𝑖²=-1 ?
Define a plane.multiplication operator '∘': ℝ²×ℝ² → ℝ²
...such that '∘' is bilinear.
...such that left.identity and right.identity are
⎡1⎤
⎣0⎦
... such that each non.zero plane.point has a reciprocal.
Then, necessarily,
there is some λ > 0 and some μ such that
⎡a⎤∘⎡c⎤  :=
⎣b⎦ ⎣d⎦
⎛⎡⎡1 0⎤ ⎡0 -μ²-λ⎤⎤ ⎡a⎤⎞ ⎡c⎤  =
⎝⎣⎣0 1⎦,⎣1   2μ ⎦⎦ ⎣b⎦⎠ ⎣d⎦
⎡ac-(μ²+λ)bd⎤
⎣bc+ad+2μbd ⎦
Solve
⎡x⎤∘⎡x⎤  =  ⎡-1⎤
⎣y⎦ ⎣y⎦     ⎣ 0⎦
x²-(μ²+λ)y²  = -1
2xy+2μy²  =  0
⎡x⎤  = ±⎡-μλ⁻¹ᐟ²⎤
⎣y⎦     ⎣ λ⁻¹ᐟ² ⎦
Define
⎡-μλ⁻¹ᐟ²⎤   =:  𝑖
⎣ λ⁻¹ᐟ² ⎦
For that operation '∘': ℝ²×ℝ² → ℝ²
(a+b𝑖)∘(c+d𝑖)  =  (ac-bd)+(ad+bc)𝑖
𝑖∘𝑖 = -1
and
⟨ℝ²,+,∘⟩ is a field:
'+': ℝ²×ℝ² → ℝ² and '∘'
are associative and commutative,
have identities and inverses, except no 0⁻¹,
and '∘' distributes over '+'.
⎛ Side note:
⎜ Let (a+b𝑖)⃰ = a-b𝑖
⎜ Then
⎝ (w⃰∘z⃰)⃰ = w∘z

Date Sujet#  Auteur
22 Jan 25 * x²+4x+5=052Richard Hachel
22 Jan 25 +* Re: x²+4x+5=018Chris M. Thomasson
22 Jan 25 i`* Re: x²+4x+5=017Moebius
22 Jan 25 i +- Re: x²+4x+5=01Moebius
22 Jan 25 i `* Re: x²+4x+5=015Chris M. Thomasson
23 Jan 25 i  +* Re: x²+4x+5=013Chris M. Thomasson
23 Jan 25 i  i+* Re: x²+4x+5=08Chris M. Thomasson
23 Jan 25 i  ii`* Re: x²+4x+5=07Moebius
23 Jan 25 i  ii `* Re: x²+4x+5=06Chris M. Thomasson
23 Jan 25 i  ii  `* Re: x²+4x+5=05Moebius
23 Jan 25 i  ii   `* Re: x²+4x+5=04Chris M. Thomasson
23 Jan 25 i  ii    `* Re: x²+4x+5=03Moebius
23 Jan 25 i  ii     `* Re: x²+4x+5=02Moebius
23 Jan 25 i  ii      `- Re: x²+4x+5=01Chris M. Thomasson
23 Jan 25 i  i`* Re: x²+4x+5=04Moebius
23 Jan 25 i  i `* Re: x²+4x+5=03Chris M. Thomasson
23 Jan 25 i  i  `* Re: x²+4x+5=02Moebius
23 Jan 25 i  i   `- Re: x²+4x+5=01Chris M. Thomasson
23 Jan 25 i  `- Re: x²+4x+5=01Moebius
23 Jan 25 +* Re: x²+4x+5=026sobriquet
23 Jan 25 i+- Re: x²+4x+5=01Chris M. Thomasson
23 Jan 25 i`* Re: x²+4x+5=024Moebius
24 Jan 25 i `* Re: x²+4x+5=023Richard Hachel
24 Jan 25 i  `* Re: x²+4x+5=022FromTheRafters
24 Jan 25 i   +* Re: x²+4x+5=020Richard Hachel
24 Jan 25 i   i`* Re: x²+4x+5=019Python
24 Jan 25 i   i +* Re: x²+4x+5=05Moebius
24 Jan 25 i   i i+* Re: x²+4x+5=03Richard Hachel
24 Jan 25 i   i ii`* Re: x²+4x+5=02Python
24 Jan 25 i   i ii `- Re: x²+4x+5=01Richard Hachel
24 Jan 25 i   i i`- Re: x²+4x+5=01Python
24 Jan 25 i   i +* Re: x²+4x+5=03Richard Hachel
24 Jan 25 i   i i`* Re: x²+4x+5=02Python
24 Jan 25 i   i i `- Re: x²+4x+5=01Richard Hachel
25 Jan 25 i   i `* Forgotten to answer?10WM
25 Jan 25 i   i  `* Re: Forgotten to answer?9FromTheRafters
26 Jan 25 i   i   `* Re: Forgotten to answer?8WM
26 Jan 25 i   i    +* Re: Forgotten to answer?4FromTheRafters
26 Jan 25 i   i    i`* Re: Forgotten to answer?3WM
26 Jan 25 i   i    i `* Re: Forgotten to answer?2FromTheRafters
26 Jan 25 i   i    i  `- Re: Forgotten to answer?1WM
26 Jan 25 i   i    `* Re: Forgotten to answer?3joes
26 Jan 25 i   i     `* Re: Forgotten to answer?2WM
27 Jan 25 i   i      `- Re: Forgotten to answer?1joes
24 Jan 25 i   `- Re: x²+4x+5=01Chris M. Thomasson
23 Jan 25 +* Re: x²+4x+5=02Richard Hachel
26 Jan 25 i`- Re: x²+4x+5=01Jim Burns
23 Jan 25 `* Re: x²+4x+5=05Peter Fairbrother
23 Jan 25  +* Re: x²+4x+5=02Richard Hachel
23 Jan 25  i`- Re: x²+4x+5=01Peter Fairbrother
2 Feb 25  `* Re: x²+4x+5=02Chris M. Thomasson
3 Feb 25   `- Re: x²+4x+5=01Richard Hachel

Haut de la page

Les messages affichés proviennent d'usenet.

NewsPortal