Re: New equation

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Sujet : Re: New equation
De : chris.m.thomasson.1 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (Chris M. Thomasson)
Groupes : sci.math
Date : 26. Feb 2025, 00:05:53
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On 2/25/2025 3:03 PM, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
On 2/25/2025 1:58 PM, Richard Hachel wrote:
Le 25/02/2025 à 22:36, "Chris M. Thomasson" a écrit :
On 2/25/2025 6:20 AM, Richard Hachel wrote:
Le 25/02/2025 à 09:21, Barry Schwarz a écrit :
On Mon, 24 Feb 25 21:11:40 +0000, Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr>
wrote:
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Le 24/02/2025 à 21:23, Barry Schwarz a écrit :
On Mon, 24 Feb 25 18:52:17 +0000, Richard Hachel <r.hachel@tiscali.fr>
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A quartic always has four roots.
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Here, I would still put a small caveat.
The fact of saying that an equation of degree n has n roots is perhaps not entirely correct.
I ask myself the question.
If for example we write f(x)=x^3+3x-4, it is indeed an equation of degree 3.
But how many roots, and what are they?
I asked this question to mathematicians, and to artificial intelligence, and I was given three roots, but they are incorrect, because those who answer do not seem to understand the real concept of imaginary numbers.
There is in fact only one root.
A very strange root composed of a real root and a complex root. Both placed on the same point A(1,0) and A(-i,0).
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R.H.
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A cubic has three roots.
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This is what is generally said, but is it always true?
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The roots of your equation are 1, (-1+i*sqrt(15))/2, and
(-1-i*sqrt(15))/2.
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That one of the roots is 1, and that it can be represented on a Cartesian coordinate system, is obvious. I then set the point A(1,0).
I then look for the other two roots of the equation, but I realize that I can't find any others, even complex ones, and that the two complex roots given are fanciful.
I then start from the principle that the complex roots are the real roots of the mirror curve, and that the real roots are the complex roots of this other curve, and I find a complex root which is x'=-1.
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I therefore obtain the point A(-i,0) which is exactly the same as the point A(1,0) knowing that i=-1 and -i=+1.
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Point (1, 0) = 1+0i
Point (-1, 0) = -1+0i
Point (0, 1) = 0+1i
Point (0, -1) = 0-1i
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It seems that this curve is its own mirror.
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R.H.
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No, no, no, no, no...
I see that you did not understand what I am saying about complex numbers, and how I would use them in a Cartesian coordinate system.
I use them longitudinally, on the x'Ox axis, but in the opposite direction.
The complex roots are therefore on the x'Ox axis like the real roots and are found where the curve g(x) mirror of f(x) passes.
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Point (1, 0) = Point (-i,0)
Point (-1, 0) = Point (i,0)
Point (0, 1) = Point (0,1)
Point (0, -1) = Point (0,-1)
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Point (5,3) = Point (-5i,3)
Point (-2,-4) = Point (2i,-4)
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Imaginary number i is purely ON the x'Ox axe, never elsewhere in cartesian reference points.
Then there are Argand's representations, where the components of the complex are perpendicularly dissociated.
But that's something else.
 No. The x axis is the real, the y axis is the imaginary. Why do you seem to insist on flipping the two?
 
What are you trying to do here? Mess up complex numbers?

Date Sujet#  Auteur
24 Feb 25 * New equation57Richard Hachel
24 Feb 25 `* Re: New equation56Barry Schwarz
24 Feb 25  +- Re: New equation1Richard Hachel
24 Feb 25  `* Re: New equation54Richard Hachel
24 Feb 25   +- Re: New equation1sobriquet
25 Feb 25   `* Re: New equation52Barry Schwarz
25 Feb 25    +* Re: New equation50Richard Hachel
25 Feb 25    i`* Re: New equation49Chris M. Thomasson
25 Feb 25    i `* Re: New equation48Richard Hachel
26 Feb 25    i  `* Re: New equation47Chris M. Thomasson
26 Feb 25    i   +* Re: New equation2Chris M. Thomasson
26 Feb 25    i   i`- Re: New equation1Chris M. Thomasson
26 Feb 25    i   `* Re: New equation44Richard Hachel
26 Feb 25    i    +* Re: New equation2Chris M. Thomasson
26 Feb 25    i    i`- Re: New equation1Richard Hachel
26 Feb 25    i    `* Re: New equation41sobriquet
26 Feb 25    i     `* Re: New equation40Richard Hachel
26 Feb 25    i      `* Re: New equation39sobriquet
26 Feb 25    i       `* Re: New equation38Chris M. Thomasson
27 Feb 25    i        `* Re: New equation37Ross Finlayson
27 Feb 25    i         +- Re: New equation1Chris M. Thomasson
27 Feb 25    i         `* Re: New equation35efji
28 Feb 25    i          `* Re: New equation34Ross Finlayson
28 Feb 25    i           +* Re: New equation3Chris M. Thomasson
28 Feb 25    i           i`* Re: New equation2Ross Finlayson
28 Feb 25    i           i `- Re: New equation1Chris M. Thomasson
28 Feb 25    i           +- Re: New equation1efji
28 Feb 25    i           `* Re: New equation29Jim Burns
28 Feb 25    i            `* Re: New equation28Ross Finlayson
28 Feb 25    i             `* Re: New equation27Jim Burns
1 Mar 25    i              `* Re: New equation26Ross Finlayson
1 Mar 25    i               +* Re: New equation24Jim Burns
1 Mar 25    i               i`* Re: New equation23Ross Finlayson
2 Mar 25    i               i `* Re: New equation22Jim Burns
2 Mar 25    i               i  +* Re: New equation4Richard Hachel
2 Mar 25    i               i  i`* Re: New equation3Python
2 Mar 25    i               i  i `* Re: New equation2Richard Hachel
2 Mar 25    i               i  i  `- Re: New equation1Python
2 Mar 25    i               i  `* Re: New equation17Ross Finlayson
2 Mar 25    i               i   `* Re: New equation16Jim Burns
2 Mar 25    i               i    `* Re: New equation15Richard Hachel
2 Mar 25    i               i     +* Re: New equation10Python
2 Mar 25    i               i     i+* Re: New equation2efji
2 Mar 25    i               i     ii`- Re: New equation1Chris M. Thomasson
2 Mar 25    i               i     i`* Re: New equation7Richard Hachel
2 Mar 25    i               i     i +* Re: New equation5efji
2 Mar 25    i               i     i i`* Re: New equation4Richard Hachel
2 Mar 25    i               i     i i `* Re: New equation3Python
2 Mar 25    i               i     i i  `* Re: New equation2Richard Hachel
2 Mar 25    i               i     i i   `- Re: New equation1Python
2 Mar 25    i               i     i `- Re: New equation1Python
2 Mar 25    i               i     `* Re: New equation4Jim Burns
2 Mar 25    i               i      `* Re: New equation3Chris M. Thomasson
2 Mar 25    i               i       `* Re: New equation2Jim Burns
2 Mar 25    i               i        `- Re: New equation1Chris M. Thomasson
1 Mar 25    i               `- Re: New equation1Jim Burns
26 Feb 25    `- Re: New equation1Chris M. Thomasson

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