Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal

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Sujet : Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal
De : hitlong (at) *nospam* yahoo.com (gharnagel)
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Date : 13. Apr 2024, 17:37:54
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Richard Hachel wrote:
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"If two different observers travel an identical path in equal observable times,
"Observable"?
WHO is doing the observing?  Presumably, an observer at earth, yes?

then their proper times will necessarily be equal.
This is not possible.

  Let's set up a Galilean frame of reference, in which a Galilean mobile moves from left to right on the x axis.
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  When it goes to O, in R, we click.
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  When it passes x, let's say 12 al, we click.
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  For example, we obtain To=12.915.
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  Or a speed of Vo=x/To=0.9291c
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  Tr=To.sqrt(1-Vo²/c²)=4.776
This is assuming a constant velocity of v = 0.9291c, yes.  The proper time
of the trip is 4.7746 years, using c = 299792458 m/s and one year equal to
3600*24*365.25 = 31557600 seconds. 
  Let us pose another body, but this time in uniformly accelerated motion,
WHO sees the "uniformly accelerated motion"?  The earth observer or the one
in the ship?

and whose speed will be specially chosen so that To=12.915.
Neither the earth observer nor the ship observer sees a "specially chosen"
speed.  Both will see the ship going faster and faster.  An ACCELERATION
must be specially chosen.

This means that in R, if they leave together, they arrive together (even if they do not have the same speed between them).
The equations are here (Equ. 6a):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acceleration_(special_relativity)
I set the problem up using excel.  For the ships to arrive together at the
same time when viewed in the earth frame, the second ship must accelerate
at 10 m/sec^2.  The proper time (ship's time) will take 1.3632 years.  The
constant-v ship's time is 4.7746 years, so their proper times are NOT equal.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
13 Apr 24 * [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal36Richard Hachel
13 Apr 24 +* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal6Python
13 Apr 24 i`* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal5Maciej Wozniak
13 Apr 24 i `* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal4Python
13 Apr 24 i  `* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal3Maciej Wozniak
13 Apr 24 i   `* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal2Python
14 Apr 24 i    `- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Python
13 Apr 24 +- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Osman Agelakos
13 Apr 24 +* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal5gharnagel
13 Apr 24 i+* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal3Maciej Wozniak
13 Apr 24 ii`* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal2gharnagel
14 Apr 24 ii `- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Cherles Hoffmann
14 Apr 24 i`- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Leolin Vilinbahov
20 Apr 24 `* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal23Tom Roberts
20 Apr 24  +* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal9Python
21 Apr 24  i`* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal8Richard Hachel
21 Apr 24  i +* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal5Python
21 Apr 24  i i`* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal4Richard Hachel
21 Apr 24  i i `* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal3Python
22 Apr 24  i i  `* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal2Richard Hachel
22 Apr 24  i i   `- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Python
21 Apr 24  i `* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal2Python
21 Apr 24  i  `- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Richard Hachel
20 Apr 24  +- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Maciej Wozniak
20 Apr 24  +- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1German Dorotea
21 Apr 24  +* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal3Richard Hachel
21 Apr 24  i`* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal2Athel Cornish-Bowden
21 Apr 24  i `- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Zhunda Mochalov
21 Apr 24  `* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal8Ross Finlayson
21 Apr 24   +* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal6Python
21 Apr 24   i+- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Kory Kato
21 Apr 24   i`* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal4Richard Hachel
21 Apr 24   i `* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal3Python
21 Apr 24   i  `* Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal2Richard Hachel
21 Apr 24   i   `- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Python
21 Apr 24   `- Re: [SR] Their proper times will necessarily be equal1Tai Loong

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