Re: "The Best Programming Language for the End of the World"

In article <nnd$63e5382c$3fdcafbf@3f3b7214bd28514c>,
Hans Bezemer  <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> wrote:

On 27-04-2025 08:21, dxf wrote:

On 26/04/2025 9:07 pm, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:

In article <b73cd7a7ab393f51bfaa18a9171086732bcc0bdf@i2pn2.org>,
dxf  <dxforth@gmail.com> wrote:

On 26/04/2025 2:34 am, Hans Bezemer wrote:

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Yeah, I have helped to make a proposal for PLACE and +PLACE - which never even made it to the voting stage.

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It's a nice symmetry.  OTOH the remaining vendors use APPEND and why should they change?
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$+! was even earlier. It predates the IBM PC XT.
(Osborne, CP/M)

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Even PLACE was new back then!
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String stacks often had $+ or equiv.  Somehow I never took to them.
Not enough applications that warranted the effort?

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Let's face it - the string support was notoriously bad in Forth. People
openly complained about that.

You must get rid of two ideas that are in the basic/lisp/c world.

1. You don't need dynamic strings. Just keep track of where you left them.
[ If you really need them, don't do circular buffer or string stacks.
Interface to the memory wordset (ALLOCATE c.s). ]

2. Zero ended strings is a stupid 60's c-cludge. Copying that into Forth is
beyond ..  . They can't accomodate zero byte in strings, They cannot
accomodate multiple byte characters.

If you fetch a string, you have a "c-addr count". Forth can have 2 items
on the stack you know.

So In my CP/M day I get by with $! $@ $+! and $C+! .
I made a program playing a text adventure game with that.

Groetjes Albert

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Hans Bezemer

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