Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?

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Sujet : Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?
De : albert (at) *nospam* spenarnc.xs4all.nl
Groupes : comp.lang.forth
Date : 30. Jun 2024, 11:22:35
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In article <v5p4ir$3utd9$1@dont-email.me>,
Krishna Myneni  <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> wrote:
On 6/28/24 03:04, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
In article <v5kde0$2sasd$1@dont-email.me>,
Krishna Myneni  <krishna.myneni@ccreweb.org> wrote:
...
The whole Search Order word set is clunky and has a cobbled together
feel about it. It is also difficult to integrate a named modules system
into which provides Public/Private definitions into the standard words
e.g. making ORDER list the names of the modules isn't easy.
>
A stack model for the search order may be the way to go. It would be
more intuitive to Forth users than having to remember ONLY ALSO PREVIOUS
etc.
>
Currently the standard defines what a minimum search order should
contain but then promptly disregards it by standardizing 0 SET-ORDER.
This is dangerous in interpretation mode, and, while it may have uses in
compilation mode, within a definition where the prior search order can
be restored (or not), the notion of a well-defined minimum search order
should be a strong guarantee to the Forth programmer and not allowed to
be violated easily.

I have taken the liberty to replace VOCABULARY with NAMESPACE in ciforth.
NAMESPACE is a named wordlist that pushes itself to the search order.
If you formulate it an archaic way, "ALSO is put in the body of the
CREATE DOES> word NAMESPACE."
In fact in this approach, `ALSO is all but superfluous.
It is from the time, one had merely two slots for wordlists.
Wordlist's , namespaces that have itself no name, are so akward.

--
Krishna

Groetjes Albert
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Date Sujet#  Auteur
26 Jun 24 * 0 SET-ORDER why?64Krishna Myneni
26 Jun 24 +* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?3minforth
26 Jun 24 i+- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1albert
26 Jun 24 i`- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1Krishna Myneni
26 Jun 24 `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?60Anton Ertl
26 Jun 24  +* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?26dxf
26 Jun 24  i`* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?25Ruvim
27 Jun 24  i +* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?9dxf
27 Jun 24  i i+* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2Gerry Jackson
28 Jun 24  i ii`- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1dxf
28 Jun 24  i i`* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?6Ruvim
28 Jun 24  i i +* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?4dxf
28 Jun 24  i i i`* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?3Ruvim
28 Jun 24  i i i `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2dxf
1 Jul 24  i i i  `- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1dxf
29 Jun 24  i i `- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1dxf
27 Jun 24  i `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?15Gerry Jackson
27 Jun 24  i  +* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2albert
27 Jun 24  i  i`- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1minforth
27 Jun 24  i  +- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1dxf
27 Jun 24  i  +* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?7Krishna Myneni
27 Jun 24  i  i+* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?4Krishna Myneni
27 Jun 24  i  ii+* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2Gerry Jackson
28 Jun 24  i  iii`- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1Krishna Myneni
28 Jun 24  i  ii`- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1dxf
29 Jun 24  i  i`* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2Krishna Myneni
30 Jun 24  i  i `- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1albert
28 Jun 24  i  `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?4Ruvim
28 Jun 24  i   +* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2albert
28 Jun 24  i   i`- Recognizer protocol (was: 0 SET-ORDER why?)1Ruvim
4 Jul 24  i   `- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1Gerry Jackson
26 Jun 24  +* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?3albert
26 Jun 24  i+- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1minforth
26 Jun 24  i`- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1Krishna Myneni
26 Jun 24  `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?30Krishna Myneni
28 Jun 24   `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?29Anton Ertl
28 Jun 24    +- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1Hans Bezemer
29 Jun 24    `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?27Krishna Myneni
30 Jun 24     `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?26dxf
30 Jun 24      `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?25Krishna Myneni
30 Jun 24       `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?24Krishna Myneni
30 Jun 24        `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?23minforth
30 Jun 24         `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?22Krishna Myneni
30 Jun 24          `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?21minforth
1 Jul 24           `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?20Krishna Myneni
1 Jul 24            +* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2mhx
1 Jul 24            i`- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1Krishna Myneni
1 Jul 24            `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?17Ruvim
1 Jul 24             +* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?12Krishna Myneni
1 Jul 24             i+* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?6dxf
2 Jul 24             ii+- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1dxf
3 Jul 24             ii`* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?4Krishna Myneni
3 Jul 24             ii `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?3dxf
3 Jul 24             ii  `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2albert
3 Jul 24             ii   `- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1dxf
1 Jul 24             i+* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?3albert
2 Jul 24             ii`* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2sjack
2 Jul 24             ii `- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1dxf
2 Jul 24             i`* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2Ruvim
3 Jul 24             i `- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1Krishna Myneni
21 Sep 24             `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?4Anthony Howe
22 Sep 24              `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?3Ruvim
22 Sep 24               `* Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?2Anthony Howe
22 Sep 24                `- Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?1Ruvim

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