Re: 0 SET-ORDER why?

On 3/07/2024 11:04 am, Krishna Myneni wrote:

On 7/1/24 06:02, dxf wrote:

On 1/07/2024 8:13 pm, Krishna Myneni wrote:

On 7/1/24 04:02, Ruvim wrote:

On 2024-07-01 05:49, Krishna Myneni wrote:

On 6/30/24 15:37, minforth wrote:

My "implementation-defined option" 0 SET-ORDER locks everyone out.
Too bad if you and I are one of them.
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I want it that way. I don't like backdoors unless I created them
on purpose.

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If the community has no issue with retaining 0 SET-ORDER then the standard's wording should be revised to say that the minimum search order is the empty search order, i.e. zero wordlists.

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Do you mean it's confusing that the search order can contain fewer word lists than the implementation defined "minimum search order"?
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And if the term "minimum search order" is renamed to "small search order" (as an example), will this solve the problem?
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I wonder if the original proposal for SET-ORDER meant to say "minimal" instead of "minimum", for argument -1, thereby leading to the inference that the words FORTH-WORDLIST and SET-ORDER always be present in the search order. We need to check where else in the standard the term "minimum search order" appears.
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For the specification of SET-ORDER with argument -1 replacing "minimum" with "minimal" would avoid some confusion.

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In the rationale A.16 the phrase "default search order" is used along with an explanation.
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I'm searching at the Forth 2012 standard document and I don't find "default search order" anywhere within it. Worse, I find the phrase, "primitive search-order" used at the beginning of A.16, here and only here. There is no explanation of what constitutes a primitive search order.
 
The phrase "minimum search order" is used five times in the document:
-- 16.4.1.1 Implementation-defined options
-- twice in the specification of SET-ORDER
-- twice in the specification of ONLY
 
In both the specification of SET-ORDER and ONLY, the standard states, "The minimum search order shall include the words FORTH-WORDLIST and SET-ORDER."

What is one expected to do with 'FORTH-WORDLIST and SET-ORDER'?  It's information like this
that's lacking, leaving it to the user's imagination.  Nor will one get clarification from
200x since by this time principal users have a vested interest in leaving things ambiguous.