Sujet : Re: Design your Own Chip
De : anton (at) *nospam* mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Groupes : comp.lang.forthDate : 14. Jul 2024, 16:29:01
Autres entêtes
Organisation : Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
Message-ID : <2024Jul14.172901@mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at>
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mhx@iae.nl (mhx) writes:
One of the things I expect to happen in the next
decade is that people have their own chips and SOCs
*manufactured* like they currently order their
breadboards.
To some extent this has happened since the 1980s
<
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mead%E2%80%93Conway_VLSI_chip_design_revolution>
I don't expect the extent to increase. The reason is that the cost of
mask sets has increased to millions of dollars as processes have advanced.
So while MOSIS <
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSIS> and now TINY
TAPEOUT offer relatively cheap chip manufacturing for low numbers of
chips, MOSIS is funded by DARPA. And I expect that there is also some
subsidy involved by the foundries, in the hope that some of the
projects will take off and get into high-volume production where they
pay real money for both the masks and the wafer processing.
The problem is not of design -- that has been possible
for a long time already.
I did not see much about TINY TAPEOUT withou JavaScript (which I did
not use), but from what I saw, their story is that they make the
designing easier and cheaper (and offer manufacturing for
one-stop-shopping).
Very probably this development will trigger interest
for very small, powerful, and memory efficient languages
(assuming these projects will use yesterday's chip
processes, not a 2nm fab).
A few years ago I looked at what MOSIS offers. It had a number of
yesteryear processes, but also offered access to an almost-current
TSMC and IIRC Globalfoundry process.
I don't see what process TINY TAPEOUT offers. The 160 x 100 um tile
may be a bit disappointing if it's a 0.35um process.
- anton
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