Re: single-xt approach in the standard

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Sujet : Re: single-xt approach in the standard
De : albert (at) *nospam* spenarnc.xs4all.nl
Groupes : comp.lang.forth
Date : 19. Sep 2024, 09:36:07
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In article <nnd$6175d1e4$764cd6e1@f82f45a6e9247add>,
Hans Bezemer  <the.beez.speaks@gmail.com> wrote:
On 18-09-2024 12:34, Ruvim wrote:
Actually, most Forth systems are classic single-xt systems. And most
educational materials on how to implement Forth explain the classic
single-xt approach.
>
Interesting enough - considering this "dual xt" idea, 4tH has *ALWAYS*
been "dual xt". All compilation behavior is in the compiler and all
execution behavior is in the interpreter. Note 4tH *only* contains
primitives. The Forth layer is what you build with these primitives,
since both the compilation behavior and execution behavior is coded in C.

And the opposite approach. Always have default compilation semantics,
i.e. add the behaviour of an interpreted word to a compiled word.
Do not allow STATE dependant behaviour except for denotations:
single words that leave a constant or several constant(s) on
the stack, but this must be the same value for interpretation and interpretation. 1)
They are compiled as literals in compilation mode.
Do not allow to postpone denotations (use literal for that),
do not allow any other state smart words.

Forth doesn't become less powerful, only less interesting for
language lawyers.
If the compilation stack is separate, inspection of STATE
can be restricted to INTERPRET , without even a need to
be inspected by number, aka denotations.
INTERPRET could simply inspect if the stack has changed.
In compile mode, it compiles literals, instead of leaving
them on the stack.

(Chuck Moore would/should like this.)

The only reason to have dual xt if you want to do
optimisation in the compilation xt.


1) Note that a :NONAME construction is an denotation, leaving a
constant xt.

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Hans Bezemer
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17 Sep 24 * single-xt approach in the standard78Ruvim
17 Sep 24 +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard15minforth
17 Sep 24 i`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard14Ruvim
17 Sep 24 i `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard13Anthony Howe
18 Sep 24 i  +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard7dxf
18 Sep 24 i  i`* Standardization process (was: single-xt approach in the standard)6Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i  i `* Re: Standardization process5dxf
18 Sep 24 i  i  +* Re: Standardization process3Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i  i  i`* Re: Standardization process2dxf
18 Sep 24 i  i  i `- Re: Standardization process1Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i  i  `- Re: Standardization process1Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i  `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard5Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i   `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard4Gerry Jackson
19 Sep 24 i    +- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1albert
19 Sep 24 i    `* Standard testsuite (was: single-xt approach in the standard)2Ruvim
19 Sep 24 i     `- Re: Standard testsuite (was: single-xt approach in the standard)1albert
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21 Sep 24 iii`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard27Ruvim
22 Sep 24 iii `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard26dxf
22 Sep 24 iii  +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard6Anton Ertl
22 Sep 24 iii  i+- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1albert
23 Sep 24 iii  i`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard4dxf
23 Sep 24 iii  i `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3Anthony Howe
24 Sep 24 iii  i  +- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1dxf
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22 Sep 24 iii  `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard19Ruvim
22 Sep 24 iii   +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard5Anton Ertl
22 Sep 24 iii   i`* Semantics as observable behavior (was: single-xt approach in the standard)4Ruvim
22 Sep 24 iii   i `* Re: Semantics as observable behavior (was: single-xt approach in the standard)3Anton Ertl
22 Sep 24 iii   i  `* Re: Semantics as observable behavior2Ruvim
23 Sep 24 iii   i   `- Re: Semantics as observable behavior1Ruvim
22 Sep 24 iii   +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard4albert
22 Sep 24 iii   i`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3Ruvim
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21 Sep 24 iii`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3Ruvim
22 Sep 24 iii `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2Stephen Pelc
22 Sep 24 iii  `- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Anton Ertl
22 Sep 24 ii`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard9albert
22 Sep 24 ii `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard8Ruvim
23 Sep 24 ii  `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard7albert
23 Sep 24 ii   +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3mhx
23 Sep 24 ii   i`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2Anton Ertl
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23 Sep 24 ii   `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3Ruvim
23 Sep 24 ii    `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2Anton Ertl
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