Re: single-xt approach in the standard

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Sujet : Re: single-xt approach in the standard
De : anton (at) *nospam* mips.complang.tuwien.ac.at (Anton Ertl)
Groupes : comp.lang.forth
Date : 22. Sep 2024, 08:23:33
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Organisation : Institut fuer Computersprachen, Technische Universitaet Wien
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peter.m.falth@gmail.com (PMF) writes:
In my opinion the Forth standard should not care about implementation
details like how a header is organized ( single, dual xt or some other
way).

It does not.  SwiftForth could implement a standard-conforming FILE S"
without changing the header structure.

Looking back at the standard, in my opinion it was a mistake to
standardize the nt!  It would have been better to have
FIND-INTERPRET  instead of FIND-NAME NAME>INTERPRET  and
FIND-COMPILE  instead of FIND-NAME NAME>COMPILE.

And FIND-INTERPRET-IN and FIND-COMPILE-IN.  What about
TRAVERSE-WORDLIST?  Would you then have TRAVERSE-WORDLIST-INTERPRET
and TRAVERSE-WORDLIST-COMPILE?  If so, how should MWORDS
<http://theforth.net/package/mwords> behave?

That would have given more freedom to organize the internal header
structure.

OTOH, the nt turns named words into a first-class concept that has its
own handle, enabling words like TRAVERSE-WORDLIST and allowing
programmers to write words like MWORDS.

Very few system implementors use several headers per word (making the
nt hard to implement), and none of these systems is widely used (have
they been published at all)?

And standardizing the nt has not taken away this freedom.  The nt and
all the words that deal with it are in TOOLS EXT and therefore optional.

So you are not asking for freedom to organize the internal header
structure in a standard system, but you are begrudging the programmers
the freedom to write programs like MWORDS as a standard program
requiring several words from the Programming-Tools Extensions word
set.

- anton
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17 Sep 24 * single-xt approach in the standard78Ruvim
17 Sep 24 +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard15minforth
17 Sep 24 i`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard14Ruvim
17 Sep 24 i `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard13Anthony Howe
18 Sep 24 i  +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard7dxf
18 Sep 24 i  i`* Standardization process (was: single-xt approach in the standard)6Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i  i `* Re: Standardization process5dxf
18 Sep 24 i  i  +* Re: Standardization process3Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i  i  i`* Re: Standardization process2dxf
18 Sep 24 i  i  i `- Re: Standardization process1Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i  i  `- Re: Standardization process1Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i  `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard5Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i   `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard4Gerry Jackson
19 Sep 24 i    +- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1albert
19 Sep 24 i    `* Standard testsuite (was: single-xt approach in the standard)2Ruvim
19 Sep 24 i     `- Re: Standard testsuite (was: single-xt approach in the standard)1albert
17 Sep 24 +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard46mhx
17 Sep 24 i+* Re: single-xt approach in the standard44Ruvim
17 Sep 24 ii+* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2minforth
17 Sep 24 iii`- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Ruvim
21 Sep 24 ii+* Re: single-xt approach in the standard28dxf
21 Sep 24 iii`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard27Ruvim
22 Sep 24 iii `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard26dxf
22 Sep 24 iii  +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard6Anton Ertl
22 Sep 24 iii  i+- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1albert
23 Sep 24 iii  i`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard4dxf
23 Sep 24 iii  i `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3Anthony Howe
24 Sep 24 iii  i  +- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1dxf
25 Sep 24 iii  i  `- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1dxf
22 Sep 24 iii  `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard19Ruvim
22 Sep 24 iii   +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard5Anton Ertl
22 Sep 24 iii   i`* Semantics as observable behavior (was: single-xt approach in the standard)4Ruvim
22 Sep 24 iii   i `* Re: Semantics as observable behavior (was: single-xt approach in the standard)3Anton Ertl
22 Sep 24 iii   i  `* Re: Semantics as observable behavior2Ruvim
23 Sep 24 iii   i   `- Re: Semantics as observable behavior1Ruvim
22 Sep 24 iii   +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard4albert
22 Sep 24 iii   i`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3Ruvim
23 Sep 24 iii   i `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2albert
23 Sep 24 iii   i  `- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1minforth
23 Sep 24 iii   `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard9dxf
23 Sep 24 iii    `* Standard compliance for systems (was: single-xt approach in the standard)8Ruvim
22 Nov 24 iii     `* Re: Standard compliance for systems7dxf
22 Nov 24 iii      `* Re: Standard compliance for systems6minforth
22 Nov 24 iii       +* Re: Standard compliance for systems3mhx
22 Nov 24 iii       i`* Re: Standard compliance for systems2minforth
22 Nov 24 iii       i `- Re: Standard compliance for systems1mhx
23 Nov 24 iii       `* Re: Standard compliance for systems2dxf
24 Nov 24 iii        `- Re: Standard compliance for systems1dxf
21 Sep 24 ii+* Re: single-xt approach in the standard4Stephen Pelc
21 Sep 24 iii`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3Ruvim
22 Sep 24 iii `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2Stephen Pelc
22 Sep 24 iii  `- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Anton Ertl
22 Sep 24 ii`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard9albert
22 Sep 24 ii `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard8Ruvim
23 Sep 24 ii  `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard7albert
23 Sep 24 ii   +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3mhx
23 Sep 24 ii   i`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2Anton Ertl
23 Sep 24 ii   i `- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1mhx
23 Sep 24 ii   `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3Ruvim
23 Sep 24 ii    `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2Anton Ertl
25 Sep 24 ii     `- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Ruvim
17 Sep 24 i`- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1albert
17 Sep 24 +* Re: single-xt approach in the standard11Anthony Howe
17 Sep 24 i+* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2Anton Ertl
24 Sep 24 ii`- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Anthony Howe
18 Sep 24 i+* Re: single-xt approach in the standard4Stephen Pelc
18 Sep 24 ii`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3Ruvim
18 Sep 24 ii `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2mhx
19 Sep 24 ii  `- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i`* Re: single-xt approach in the standard4Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i +- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Ruvim
18 Sep 24 i `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard2Hans Bezemer
19 Sep 24 i  `- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1albert
17 Sep 24 +- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Anton Ertl
18 Sep 24 +- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Ruvim
21 Sep 24 `* Re: single-xt approach in the standard3PMF
22 Sep 24  +- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Anton Ertl
22 Sep 24  `- Re: single-xt approach in the standard1Ruvim

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