Re: value-flavoured structures

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Sujet : Re: value-flavoured structures
De : dxforth (at) *nospam* gmail.com (dxf)
Groupes : comp.lang.forth
Date : 04. Oct 2024, 04:00:35
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On 4/10/2024 2:32 am, Anton Ertl wrote:
minforth@gmx.net (minforth) writes:
Introduce variant data-types, as some BASIC compilers have,
you really have to invent a new 'Forthish' dialect. Probably
useless for embedded applications.
 
Joerg Voelker works on embedded projects and found value-flavoured
fields useful already in 2017
<https://wiki.forth-ev.de/doku.php/events:tagung-2017:forth-in-grossen-projekten>.
Nick Nelson works on (bigger) embedded projects and also finds
value-flavoured fields useful.  See
<http://www.euroforth.org/ef22/papers/nelson-values.pdf>
<http://www.euroforth.org/ef22/papers/nelson-values-slides.pdf>
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHcLqxG7UI4>

I wonder whether classic structures fit the forth paradigm?  Whether by
chance or lack of schooling they seem to have passed me by.

According to Moore:

 "Forth is definitions. If you have a lot of small definitions you are
  writing Forth."

Structures claim to avoid 'magic numbers'.  But are numbers 'magic' when
the name of the definition containing them identifies what they are?

Example:

\ copy memory data (ofs) to target (a)
: SET.S ( a ofs -- )  dbuf +  count rot  >target place ;
: SET.W ( a ofs -- )  dbuf +  @ swap  >target ! ;
: SET.B ( a ofs -- )  dbuf +  c@ swap  >target c! ;

hex
: THIL  ( -- ) 1C2    5B set.s ;  \ hilight video
: TNOR  ( -- ) 1C8    61 set.s ;  \ normal video
: TEOL  ( -- ) 1BC    69 set.s ;  \ clear to end-of-line
: TINS  ( -- ) 1AE    6F set.s ;  \ insert line
: TDEL  ( -- ) 1B4    75 set.s ;  \ delete line
: TCR   ( -- ) 168    7B set.w ;  \ # cols rows
decimal

\ modify data
: SET$ ( ofs size -- )
  over .str  change?  if  cr ." : "  get$  rot !str  end  2drop ;

: SET# ( ofs -- )
  dup @byt .  change? if ." : "  get#  swap !byt  end  drop ;

: ?DEL ( -- )  cr ." DELETE LINE command: "  $75 5 set$ ;
: ?INS ( -- )  cr ." INSERT LINE command: "  $6F 5 set$ ;
: ?EOL ( -- )  cr ." ERASE TO EOL command: "  $69 5 set$ ;
: ?BOLD ( -- )  cr ." BOLD VIDEO command: "  $5B 5 set$ ;
: ?NORM ( -- )  cr ." NORMAL VIDEO command: "  $61 5 set$ ;
: ?ROWS ( -- )  cr ." Number of screen rows: "  $7C set# ;
: ?COLS ( -- )  cr ." Number of screen cols: "  $7B set# ;


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16 Sep 24    i i  i ii  i   `* Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]12mhx
16 Sep 24    i i  i ii  i    +- Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]1Ahmed
16 Sep 24    i i  i ii  i    +* Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]3dxf
16 Sep 24    i i  i ii  i    i+- Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]1Ahmed
16 Sep 24    i i  i ii  i    i`- Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]1mhx
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15 Sep 24    i i  i ii  `* Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]5Paul Rubin
15 Sep 24    i i  i i`- Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]1albert
15 Sep 24    i i  i `* Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]2dxf
12 Sep 24    i i  `* Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]16Anton Ertl
11 Sep 24    i `* Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]3Hans Bezemer
8 Sep 24    `* Re: Avoid treating the stack as an array [Re: "Back & Forth" is back!]6Stephen Pelc

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