Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions

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Sujet : Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions
De : sean (at) *nospam* conman.org
Groupes : comp.lang.forth
Date : 07. Jun 2025, 05:26:12
Autres entêtes
Organisation : Conman Laboratories
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It was thus said that the Great dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> once stated:
On 7/06/2025 7:06 am, sean@conman.org wrote:
...
A goal of my Forth system was to only have standard Forth words.
 
You trust the Standard.  Why? 

  Why not?  This was a learning experience for me, as this is my first
actual Forth implementation [1].  The ANS Forth 2012 standard gave me a
target to aim for.  Guess I shouldn't have bothered then.

The Standard dates backs to 1977 starting out as
a list of words pulled from Kitt Peak Forth.  If KPF didn't have (.) etc well
that was just too bad.  The point being nobody sat down and systematically
designed the standard (or forth) ground up.  It was adhoc.  It's always been
adhoc.  Moore has changed his mind numerous times.  What one sees in the Standard
is a snapshot of 1977.

  It seems to have concepts that have occured after 1977, or are you
speaking of some other Forth Standard, like 79 or 83?

Even small forths can do better than what the standard offers by simply factoring
out tools already present e.g.
 
(.)  (D.)  (U.)  /CHAR  >CHAR  >DIGIT  HELD  MU*  MU/MOD  TRIM  UNNEST
 
I'd rather have these than all the support for wordlists DEFER and other stuff
the standard and folks have obsessed over.

  Can you not implement them with ANS Forth?

  -spc

Date Sujet#  Auteur
31 May 25 * THROW codes and ambiguous conditions40dxf
31 May 25 +* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions7Anton Ertl
31 May 25 i+* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions2dxf
3 Jun 25 ii`- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1sjack
31 May 25 i`* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions4Anton Ertl
1 Jun 25 i `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions3albert
1 Jun 25 i  `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions2Anton Ertl
1 Jun 25 i   `- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1albert
1 Jun 25 `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions32Hans Bezemer
2 Jun 25  +- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1dxf
2 Jun 25  `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions30albert
3 Jun 25   `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions29dxf
3 Jun 25    +* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions25Anton Ertl
4 Jun 25    i`* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions24dxf
4 Jun 25    i `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions23sean
5 Jun 25    i  +- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1dxf
5 Jun 25    i  `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions21albert
6 Jun 25    i   +- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1dxf
6 Jun 25    i   `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions19sean
6 Jun 25    i    `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions18albert
6 Jun 25    i     `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions17sean
7 Jun 25    i      `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions16dxf
7 Jun 25    i       `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions15sean
7 Jun 25    i        +- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1dxf
7 Jun 25    i        +* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions12Anton Ertl
7 Jun 25    i        i`* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions11dxf
7 Jun 25    i        i `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions10Paul Rubin
8 Jun 25    i        i  +* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions4Paul Rubin
8 Jun 25    i        i  i+- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1dxf
8 Jun 25    i        i  i+- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1Anton Ertl
10 Jun 25    i        i  i`- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1Paul Rubin
8 Jun 25    i        i  +- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1dxf
8 Jun 25    i        i  `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions4Anton Ertl
8 Jun 25    i        i   `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions3dxf
9 Jun 25    i        i    `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions2dxf
9 Jun 25    i        i     `- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1LIT
7 Jun 25    i        `- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1LIT
3 Jun 25    +- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1John
4 Jun 25    `* Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions2dxf
6 Jun 25     `- Re: THROW codes and ambiguous conditions1Hans Bezemer

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