Sujet : Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy
De : nospam (at) *nospam* example.net (D)
Groupes : comp.miscDate : 26. Feb 2025, 13:15:24
Autres entêtes
Organisation : i2pn2 (i2pn.org)
Message-ID : <81cafbfb-18b8-8898-4d91-13ba43f9703c@example.net>
References : 1 2 3 4 5
On Tue, 25 Feb 2025, Scott Dorsey wrote:
Salvador Mirzo <smirzo@example.com> wrote:
I don't have much information. The command line seemed an awful
experience to them. I suspect that they thought that the command line
was archaic means of system interface and that perhaps it was just a
teacher idiosyncrasy.
>
This is something I see a lot of... we get interns who are engineering
students or computer science students and they have never seen a command
line of any sort before. Not bash, not powershell, not anything. They
first of all don't get the command line concept and secondly they don't
get the concept of the heirarchical filesystem. "The file is on the
computer!" "But where on the computer?" "It's on the computer!"
Please scott, you are breaking my heart! =(
We even got a guy with a PhD in CS from a university that I had previously
thought reputable who had never used a command line and who just could
not understand how make works in spite of the O'Reilly book.
Stop, please, for the love of god!
I think some of these concepts have to be introduced early on, but they
NEED to be introduced early on in order to get any kind of basic computer
literacy.
--scott
This was a painful read. =( I thought I saw this due to the fact that I teach at the vocational school level and not university level. Are yo useriously telling me that this b.s. goes one (and comes out of) the university level?
If so... we'll soon enter a period of decline, if even universities turn out CS student so ill equipped to develop new brilliant services in todays world. =(
Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
16 Feb 25 | Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 284 | | Retrograde |
16 Feb 25 |  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 283 | | D |
17 Feb 25 |   Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 282 | | Salvador Mirzo |
17 Feb 25 |    Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 281 | | D |
17 Feb 25 |     Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 73 | | Adrian |
17 Feb 25 |      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 72 | | D |
18 Feb 25 |       Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 47 | | Adrian |
18 Feb 25 |        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 15 | | Sn!pe |
18 Feb 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 12 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 11 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |           Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 5 | | Sn!pe |
20 Feb 25 |            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 3 | | Scott Dorsey |
21 Feb 25 |             Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | Salvador Mirzo |
21 Feb 25 |             Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |           Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 5 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 4 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |             Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 3 | | D |
21 Feb 25 |              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | Salvador Mirzo |
21 Feb 25 |               Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | D |
18 Feb 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | Adrian |
20 Feb 25 |          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | Salvador Mirzo |
18 Feb 25 |        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 25 | | D |
18 Feb 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 18 | | Adrian |
20 Feb 25 |          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 17 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |           Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 16 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 15 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |             Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 3 | | Sn!pe |
21 Feb 25 |              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | Salvador Mirzo |
21 Feb 25 |               Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | D |
21 Feb 25 |             Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 11 | | D |
24 Feb 25 |              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | Salvador Mirzo |
24 Feb 25 |               Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | D |
25 Feb 25 |              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 8 | | Anton Shepelev |
25 Feb 25 |               small communities, nntp server (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) | 7 | | Salvador Mirzo |
26 Feb 25 |                Re: small communities, nntp server (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) | 3 | | D |
27 Feb 25 |                 Re: small communities, nntp server | 2 | | Salvador Mirzo |
27 Feb 25 |                  Re: small communities, nntp server | 1 | | D |
26 Feb 25 |                Re: small communities, nntp server | 3 | | yeti |
26 Feb 25 |                 Re: small communities, nntp server | 1 | | D |
26 Feb 25 |                 Re: small communities, nntp server | 1 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 6 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 5 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |           Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 4 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 3 | | D |
21 Feb 25 |             Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | Salvador Mirzo |
21 Feb 25 |              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 6 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 5 | | Scott Dorsey |
21 Feb 25 |          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | Salvador Mirzo |
21 Feb 25 |          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 3 | | D |
22 Feb 25 |           Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | Scott Dorsey |
23 Feb 25 |            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |       Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 24 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 23 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 22 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 21 | | D |
21 Feb 25 |           Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 20 | | Salvador Mirzo |
21 Feb 25 |            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 19 | | D |
24 Feb 25 |             Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 18 | | Salvador Mirzo |
24 Feb 25 |              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 17 | | D |
24 Feb 25 |               Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 16 | | Salvador Mirzo |
24 Feb 25 |                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 15 | | D |
25 Feb 25 |                 Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 12 | | Salvador Mirzo |
25 Feb 25 |                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 11 | | D |
25 Feb 25 |                   OT: personal stories (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) | 10 | | Salvador Mirzo |
26 Feb 25 |                    Re: OT: personal stories (Was: Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy) | 9 | | D |
27 Feb 25 |                     Re: OT: personal stories | 8 | | Salvador Mirzo |
27 Feb 25 |                      Re: OT: personal stories | 7 | | D |
8 Mar 25 |                       Re: OT: personal stories | 6 | | Salvador Mirzo |
8 Mar 25 |                        Re: OT: personal stories | 2 | | yeti |
8 Mar 25 |                         Re: OT: personal stories | 1 | | D |
8 Mar 25 |                        Re: OT: personal stories | 3 | | D |
9 Mar 25 |                         Re: OT: personal stories | 2 | | Salvador Mirzo |
9 Mar 25 |                          Re: OT: personal stories | 1 | | D |
25 Feb 25 |                 Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | D Finnigan |
27 Feb 25 |                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | Salvador Mirzo |
17 Feb 25 |     Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 207 | | D |
17 Feb 25 |      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | Scott Dorsey |
18 Feb 25 |       Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | D |
18 Feb 25 |      Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 204 | | Computer Nerd Kev |
19 Feb 25 |       Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 160 | | Eli the Bearded |
19 Feb 25 |        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 4 | | D |
6 Mar 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | Ivan Shmakov |
8 Mar 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | Salvador Mirzo |
8 Mar 25 |          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | D |
19 Feb 25 |        Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 155 | | Computer Nerd Kev |
20 Feb 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 152 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |          Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 151 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |           Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 95 | | Salvador Mirzo |
20 Feb 25 |            Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 94 | | D |
21 Feb 25 |             Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 93 | | Salvador Mirzo |
21 Feb 25 |              Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 92 | | D |
24 Feb 25 |               Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 91 | | Salvador Mirzo |
24 Feb 25 |                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | Rich |
24 Feb 25 |                 Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | Salvador Mirzo |
24 Feb 25 |                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 30 | | D |
24 Feb 25 |                 Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 14 | | Salvador Mirzo |
24 Feb 25 |                  Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 13 | | D |
25 Feb 25 |                   Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 12 | | Rich |
24 Feb 25 |                 Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 15 | | Rich |
26 Feb 25 |                Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 58 | | Scott Dorsey |
20 Feb 25 |           Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 55 | | D |
4 Mar 25 |         Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 1 | | Eli the Bearded |
19 Feb 25 |       Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 41 | | D |
20 Feb 25 |       Re: Schneier, Data and Goliath: no hope for privacy | 2 | | Salvador Mirzo |