Re: The LLMentalist Effect (AI & psychic's con)

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Sujet : Re: The LLMentalist Effect (AI & psychic's con)
De : anton.txt (at) *nospam* g{oogle}mail.com (Anton Shepelev)
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Date : 12. Apr 2024, 11:49:52
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Ben Collver quoted:

<https://softwarecrisis.dev/letters/llmentalist/>
[...]
LLMs are not brains and do not meaningfully share any of
the mechanisms that animals or people use to reason or
think.
>
LLMs are a mathematical model of language tokens. You give
a LLM text, and it will give you a mathematically
plausible response to that text.
>
There is no reason to believe that it thinks or
reasons--indeed, every AI researcher and vendor to date
has repeatedly emphasised that these models don't think.

What say ye to:

  1.  LLM's can playing chess, that is they understand the
      rules of the game, because all the training set is not
      nearly sufficient if it were used merely
      statistically:
      <https://parrotchess.com/>

  2.  Emergent World Models and Latent Variable Estimation
      in Chess-Playing Language Models:
      <https://arxiv.org/abs/2403.15498>

I fear they cannot be explained by the Forer effect.

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Date Sujet#  Auteur
12 Apr 24 * The LLMentalist Effect (AI & psychic's con)4Ben Collver
12 Apr 24 +- Re: The LLMentalist Effect (AI & psychic's con)1D
12 Apr 24 `* Re: The LLMentalist Effect (AI & psychic's con)2Anton Shepelev
13 Apr 24  `- Re: The LLMentalist Effect (AI & psychic's con)1Eric Pozharski

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