Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure

On 6/25/2024 6:04 AM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 6/24/24 11:13 PM, olcott wrote:

On 6/24/2024 9:48 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 6/24/24 10:38 PM, olcott wrote:

On 6/24/2024 9:26 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 6/24/24 10:21 PM, olcott wrote:

On 6/24/2024 9:02 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 6/24/24 9:55 PM, olcott wrote:

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*We can get to that as soon as you reverse your lie*
*We can get to that as soon as you reverse your lie*
*We can get to that as soon as you reverse your lie*

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You still haven't shown where I lied, on where you don't like what I say.
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You said that D correctly simulated by H must
have the behavior of the directly executed D(D).

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Right, the steps that H sees are IDENTIAL to the steps of the directly executed D(D) until H stops its simulation,
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NOT ONE DIFFERENCE.
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Honest mistake or liar?
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The directly executed D(D) has identical behavior to
D correctly simulated by H1
*the call from D to H(D,D) returns*
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This is not the same behavior as
D correctly simulated by H
*the call from D to H(D,D) DOES NOT return*
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And what instruction did H's simulation differ from the direct executions trace?
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D correctly simulated by H
*the call from D to H(D,D) DOES NOT return*

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Which isn't "Behavior of the input"
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The "not happening" of something that could have happened except that the processing was stoped is NOT behavior.
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D correctly simulated by H1 --- Identical to D(D)
*the call from D to H(D,D) returns*
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Right, and it contains ALL of the behavior of the correct simulation of D by H, plus more.
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H doesn't see DIFFERENT behavior, just LESS, and that differnce isn't due to the input, but due to H.

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*These are not the same behaviors*
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(Assuming unlimited memory)
When 1 to a googolplex of steps of D are correctly simulated by H
*the call from D to H(D,D) NEVER RETURNS*

 Correction, 1 to a googleplex of steps if DIFFERENT Ds, each paired with a DIFFERENT H, when simulated by that H, the DIFFFERENT routines called by those DIFFERENT Ds to that DIFFERENT H(D,D) is never simulated to an end.
 

_P()
[000020e2] 55               push ebp         ; housekeeping
[000020e3] 8bec             mov ebp,esp      ; housekeeping
[000020e5] 51               push ecx         ; housekeeping
[000020e6] 8b4508           mov eax,[ebp+08] ; parameter
[000020e9] 50               push eax         ; push parameter
[000020ea] 8b4d08           mov ecx,[ebp+08] ; parameter
[000020ed] 51               push ecx         ; push parameter
[000020ee] e82ff3ffff       call 00001422    ; call H(P,P)
[000020f3] 83c408           add esp,+08
[000020f6] 8945fc           mov [ebp-04],eax
[000020f9] 837dfc00         cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
[000020fd] 7402             jz 00002101
[000020ff] ebfe             jmp 000020ff
[00002101] 8b45fc           mov eax,[ebp-04]
[00002104] 8be5             mov esp,ebp
[00002106] 5d               pop ebp
[00002107] c3               ret
Size in bytes:(0038) [00002107]
The call from D to H(D,D) cannot possibly return when D
is correctly simulated by any H that can possibly exist.
Unless you say yes you are correct we cannot move on to
the next point.
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