Re: D(D) simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own line 03

On 5/3/2024 10:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:

On 5/3/24 8:13 PM, olcott wrote:

On 5/3/2024 8:40 AM, olcott wrote:

00 int H(ptr x, ptr x)  // ptr is pointer to int function
01 int D(ptr x)
02 {
03   int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
04   if (Halt_Status)
05     HERE: goto HERE;
06   return Halt_Status;
07 }
08
09 void main()
10 {
11   H(D,D);
12 }
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We are examining the behavior of D(D) for every possible H/D pair
where 1 to N steps of D(D) are simulated by H.
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*Execution Trace*
Line 11: main() invokes H(D,D) that simulates D(D)
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*keeps repeating* (unless aborted)
Line 01
Line 02
Line 03: simulated D(D) invokes simulated H(D,D) that simulates D(D)
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*Simulation invariant*
D correctly simulated by H cannot possibly reach past its own line 03.
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(a) It is a verified fact that for every possible H/D pair where
1 to N steps of D(D) are simulated by H that this simulated D(D)
cannot possibly reach past its own line 03.
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I only had to add this new step because I found that some people just
do not understand that when the executed H(D,D) aborts its simulated
input that all of the nested simulations (if any) immediately totally stop running. No simulated H ever returns any value to any simulated D.
We can sum this up much more concisely with (a).

 Fixing definitions is good.
 The refutation of (a) that I gave didn't use that "loop hole" and both of the examples actually simulated the steps to past line 3.
 After all, how can you simulate past line 3 and not simulate any steps?
 

THIS WAS THE DEFINITION THAT YOU RESPONDED TO
(a) It is a verified fact that *D(D) simulated by H* cannot
possibly reach past line 03 of *D(D) simulated by H* whether
H aborts its simulation or not.
You took *D(D) simulated by H* to mean *D(D) NEVER simulated by H*
That is a ridiculously stupid mistake.
You took *D(D) simulated by H* to mean *D(D) NEVER simulated by H*
That is a ridiculously stupid mistake.
You took *D(D) simulated by H* to mean *D(D) NEVER simulated by H*
That is a ridiculously stupid mistake.
You took *D(D) simulated by H* to mean *D(D) NEVER simulated by H*
That is a ridiculously stupid mistake.

The no-simulation case was just showing that using your conclusion from (a) and saying that H is correct to abort here, allows, with just as valid of logic, to allow a decider to trivally decide to abort either after 0, or with your modification, after 1 step, to just abort and say it couldn't reach the end.
 

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(b) Rebuttals must show a counter example where 1 to N steps
of D(D) are simulated by H and the simulated D(D) reaches past
its own line 03.

 Was done.
 You need to refute that example or you are just admitting you are a liar that makes claims that have been disproven.
 

No I am proving that one of your rebuttals was a ridiculously stupid
mistake. When you make a ridiculously stupid mistake that is not me
lying at all.
If you have a better rebuttal please provide it.

The fact that you don't understand how it was disproven, the fact that you know that the statements were made and you haven't refuted it, means your claims have become unproven statements, and thus not valid to claim.
 

*It was not me that made the ridiculously stupid mistake*

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*Termination Analyzer H is Not Fooled by Pathological Input D*
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/369971402_Termination_Analyzer_H_is_Not_Fooled_by_Pathological_Input_D
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*Fully operational code implemented in the x86utm operating system*
https://github.com/plolcott/x86utm
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