Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###

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Sujet : Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 27. May 2024, 17:37:04
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On 5/27/24 12:06 PM, olcott wrote:
On 5/27/2024 10:56 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/27/24 11:43 AM, olcott wrote:
On 5/27/2024 9:58 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 5/27/24 10:39 AM, olcott wrote:
>
typedef int (*ptr)();  // ptr is pointer to int function in C
00       int H(ptr p, ptr i);
01       int D(ptr p)
02       {
03         int Halt_Status = H(p, p);
04         if (Halt_Status)
05           HERE: goto HERE;
06         return Halt_Status;
07       }
08
09       int main()
10       {
11         H(D,D);
12         return 0;
13       }
>
The above template refers to an infinite set of H/D pairs where D is
correctly simulated by either pure simulator H or pure function H. This
was done because many reviewers used the shell game ploy to endlessly
switch which H/D pair was being referred to.
>
Correct Simulation Defined
    This is provided because many reviewers had a different notion of
    correct simulation that diverges from this notion.
>
    A simulator is an x86 emulator that correctly emulates 1 to N of the
    x86 instructions of D in the order specified by the x86 instructions
    of D. This may include M recursive emulations of H emulating itself
    emulating D.
>
And how do you apply that to a TEMPLATE that doesn't define what a call H means
 *It is completely defined and you are just ignoring this definition*
So, what instruction does the call H in D go to to be simulated?
As a template, there is no fixed H, so no instruction to look at.

H correctly simulates 1 to ∞ steps of D with either pure function H
or pure simulator H. In none of these cases does the correctly simulated
D ever reach its own simulated final state and halt.
 Do some of these instances of H play a game of poker with themselves
before or after they simulate D? Yes they do because the H/D pairs
are an infinite set.
 
But, how do they correctly simulate something that isn't there?
Either they are simulating an INSTANCE of the template, in which case each H is looking at a DIFFERENT instance, and you can't relate one result to the other, or they are trying to simulate the Template, at which point you have the problem that the code to be simulated hasn't been defined, and thus you can't do what you define to do.

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17 May 24 * Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###175olcott
18 May 24 +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
18 May 24 `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###173Mikko
18 May 24  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###65olcott
18 May 24  i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
19 May 24  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###63DFS
19 May 24  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###8immibis
20 May 24  i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24  i i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###6Keith Thompson
20 May 24  i i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24  i i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Keith Thompson
21 May 24  i i  i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24  i i  +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
20 May 24  i i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Kenny McCormack
19 May 24  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###52olcott
19 May 24  i i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
19 May 24  i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###50Richard Damon
19 May 24  i i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###49Chris M. Thomasson
20 May 24  i i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###48immibis
20 May 24  i i   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###47David Brown
20 May 24  i i    +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4Kenny McCormack
20 May 24  i i    i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Alan Mackenzie
20 May 24  i i    i `* Topicality: Who really cares? (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)2Kenny McCormack
21 May 24  i i    i  `- Re: Topicality: Who really cares? (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)1David Brown
20 May 24  i i    +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###8Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24  i i    i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7David Brown
21 May 24  i i    i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###6James Kuyper
21 May 24  i i    i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###5David Brown
21 May 24  i i    i   +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24  i i    i   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Keith Thompson
22 May 24  i i    i   i`- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1David Brown
24 May 24  i i    i   `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24  i i    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###34immibis
21 May 24  i i     +* Lying meets the standard of losing defamation cases2olcott
21 May 24  i i     i`- Re: Lying meets the standard of losing defamation cases1Richard Damon
21 May 24  i i     +* Lying meets the standard of losing defamation cases2olcott
21 May 24  i i     i`- Re: Lying meets the standard of losing defamation cases1Richard Damon
21 May 24  i i     +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Keith Thompson
21 May 24  i i     i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Kenny McCormack
21 May 24  i i     i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1immibis
21 May 24  i i     +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###16David Brown
21 May 24  i i     i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###15James Kuyper
21 May 24  i i     i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###14immibis
21 May 24  i i     i  +- Thought control??? (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)1Kenny McCormack
22 May 24  i i     i  +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###8Richard Damon
22 May 24  i i     i  i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7Keith Thompson
22 May 24  i i     i  i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3olcott
22 May 24  i i     i  i i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1immibis
22 May 24  i i     i  i i`- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
22 May 24  i i     i  i `* Policy dispute (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)3Kenny McCormack
22 May 24  i i     i  i  `* Re: Policy dispute (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)2immibis
22 May 24  i i     i  i   `- Re: Policy dispute (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)1Kenny McCormack
22 May 24  i i     i  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4James Kuyper
22 May 24  i i     i   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Kenny McCormack
22 May 24  i i     i   i`- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Kaz Kylheku
22 May 24  i i     i   `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1David Brown
21 May 24  i i     `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###10Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24  i i      +* Subway (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)2Kenny McCormack
21 May 24  i i      i`- Re: Subway (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)1Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24  i i      `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7Keith Thompson
21 May 24  i i       +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24  i i       i+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
21 May 24  i i       i`- Welcome! (Was: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###)1Kenny McCormack
22 May 24  i i       `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3immibis
24 May 24  i i        `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2James Kuyper
24 May 24  i i         `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Chris M. Thomasson
19 May 24  i `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2Chris M. Thomasson
19 May 24  i  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Jeff Barnett
18 May 24  `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###107James Kuyper
18 May 24   +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###13Richard Damon
18 May 24   i+* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###7Fred. Zwarts
18 May 24   ii+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon
18 May 24   ii+- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
18 May 24   ii`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###4James Kuyper
18 May 24   ii +- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
19 May 24   ii `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2James Kuyper
20 May 24   ii  `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Mikko
18 May 24   i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###5James Kuyper
18 May 24   i +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###3Richard Damon
18 May 24   i i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###2James Kuyper
18 May 24   i i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Keith Thompson
18 May 24   i `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1olcott
19 May 24   `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###93Mikko
19 May 24    `* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###92olcott
19 May 24     +* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###90Mikko
19 May 24     i+* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###25olcott
19 May 24     ii+* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###14Richard Damon
19 May 24     iii`* Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H13olcott
19 May 24     iii `* Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H12Richard Damon
19 May 24     iii  `* Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H11olcott
19 May 24     iii   +* Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H7Richard Damon
19 May 24     iii   i+* Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H2olcott
20 May 24     iii   ii`- Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H1Richard Damon
19 May 24     iii   i`* Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H4olcott
20 May 24     iii   i `* Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H3Richard Damon
20 May 24     iii   i  `* Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H2olcott
21 May 24     iii   i   `- Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H1Richard Damon
20 May 24     iii   `* Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H3Mikko
20 May 24     iii    `* Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H2olcott
21 May 24     iii     `- Re: Every D(D) is correctly simulated by H1Richard Damon
20 May 24     ii`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###10Mikko
21 May 24     i`* Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###64olcott
19 May 24     `- Re: Every D(D) simulated by H presents non-halting behavior to H ###1Richard Damon

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