Re: Concise rebuttal of incompleteness and undecidability

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Sujet : Re: Concise rebuttal of incompleteness and undecidability
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : sci.logic comp.theory
Date : 02. Jun 2024, 20:03:41
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On 6/2/24 1:36 PM, olcott wrote:
Because of Quine's paper: https://www.ditext.com/quine/quine.html most
philosophers have been confused into believing that there is no such
thing as expressions of language that are {true on the basis of their
meaning}.
Except that, in FORMAL LOGIC SYSTEMS, the ONLY definition of "meaning" is what is derived from the formal definitions and axioms of the system.

 The unique contribution I have made to this is that the semantic meaning
of these expressions is always specified by other expressions. When we
can derive x or ~x by applying truth preserving operations to a set of
semantic meanings then this perfectly aligns with Wittgenstein's concise
critique of Gödel: https://www.liarparadox.org/Wittgenstein.pdf
 Unless P or ~P has been proved in Russell's system P has no truth value
and thus cannot be a proposition according to the law of the excluded
middle.
 As Richard keeps pointing out:
Sometimes this "proof" may require an infinite sequence of steps.
 
But the problem is that if it takes an "infinite sequence of steps" to make it true, that set of steps is NOT a PROOF, as proof is defined as a FINITE number of steps.
Thus, there exists statement that are TRUE (by being established by an infinite sequence of steps) but can not be PROVEN (which requires finding a finite number of steps to show it)

Date Sujet#  Auteur
2 Jun 24 * Concise rebuttal of incompleteness and undecidability3olcott
2 Jun 24 +- Re: Concise rebuttal of incompleteness and undecidability1Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 `- Re: Concise rebuttal of incompleteness and undecidability1Richard Damon

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