Re: The error of the halting problem

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Sujet : Re: The error of the halting problem
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 04. Jun 2024, 03:51:45
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On 6/3/2024 8:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/3/24 8:59 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/3/2024 7:55 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/3/24 4:53 PM, olcott wrote:
For any program H that might determine whether programs halt, a
"pathological" program D, called with some input, can pass its own
source and its input to H and then specifically do the opposite of what
H predicts D will do. No H can exist that handles this case. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halting_problem
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The way that the halting problem is conventionally understood is that H
must correctly answer yes or no to an input that contradicts both
answers, thus H is being asked a question isomorphic to the Liar
Paradox: Is this sentence true or false: "This sentence is not true." ?
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But it doesn't reduce to that, as the decider was fixed in code first, and then, by using that code, a question is constructed WITH A RIGHT ANSWER, that just isn't the answer that this decider happens to give.
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You just don't seem to understand logic well enough to understand that not that subtitle difference.
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In other words you are trying to get away with saying
that it is only random chance that H gets the wrong
answer not that the game is rigged against H.
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 There is nothing "random" about it, if there was there would be a chance it could get it right.
 
Then why did you say it was random?
"just isn't the answer that this decider happens to give."
When H is asked a yes/no question where both answers are
contradicted by its input *IT IS A FREAKING RIGGED GAME*
*You seem to be a mindless automaton that is hard-wired to disagree*
Both professor Hehner and professor Stoddard said essentially
this same thing in much more words.
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Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

Date Sujet#  Auteur
3 Jun 24 * The error of the halting problem21olcott
4 Jun 24 +* Re: The error of the halting problem17Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 i`* Re: The error of the halting problem16olcott
4 Jun 24 i +* Re: The error of the halting problem14Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 i i`* Re: The error of the halting problem13olcott
4 Jun 24 i i `* Re: The error of the halting problem12Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 i i  `* Re: The error of the halting problem11olcott
4 Jun 24 i i   +* Re: The error of the halting problem9Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 i i   i`* Re: The error of the halting problem8olcott
4 Jun 24 i i   i `* Re: The error of the halting problem7Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 i i   i  `* Re: The error of the halting problem6olcott
4 Jun 24 i i   i   +- Re: The error of the halting problem1Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 i i   i   +* Re: The error of the halting problem3joes
4 Jun 24 i i   i   i`* Re: The error of the halting problem --- G is untrue in PA2olcott
5 Jun 24 i i   i   i `- Re: The error of the halting problem --- G is untrue in PA1Richard Damon
4 Jun 24 i i   i   `- Re: The error of the halting problem1Mikko
4 Jun 24 i i   `- Re: The error of the halting problem1joes
4 Jun 24 i `- Re: The error of the halting problem1Mikko
4 Jun 24 `* Re: The error of the halting problem3Mikko
4 Jun 24  `* Re: The error of the halting problem2olcott
5 Jun 24   `- Re: The error of the halting problem1Richard Damon

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