Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply

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Sujet : Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 21. Jun 2024, 18:22:04
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On 6/21/2024 12:09 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/21/24 1:04 PM, olcott wrote:
On 6/21/2024 10:25 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/21/24 10:44 AM, olcott wrote:
On 6/21/2024 9:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
On 6/21/24 9:01 AM, olcott wrote:
On 6/21/2024 2:44 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 20.jun.2024 om 16:12 schreef olcott:
On 6/20/2024 3:09 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 20.jun.2024 om 02:00 schreef olcott:
This shows all of the steps of HH0 simulating DDD
calling a simulated HH0 simulating DDD
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https://liarparadox.org/HH0_(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf
*Some of the key instructions are color coded*
GREEN---DebugStep Address
RED-----HH Address
YELLOW--All of the DDD instructions
CYAN----Return from DebugStep to Decide_Halting_HH
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_DDD()
[000020a2] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
[000020a3] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[000020a5] 68a2200000 push 000020a2 ; push DDD
[000020aa] e8f3f9ffff call 00001aa2 ; call H0
[000020af] 83c404     add esp,+04   ; housekeeping
[000020b2] 5d         pop ebp       ; housekeeping
[000020b3] c3         ret           ; never gets here
Size in bytes:(0018) [000020b3]
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Exactly which step of DDD emulated by H0 was emulated
incorrectly such that this emulation would be complete?
AKA DDD emulated by H0 reaches machine address [000020b3]
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If the simulation of a program with a loop of 5 iterations is aborted after 3 iterations, all instructions are correctly simulated. Nevertheless, it is an incorrect simulation, because it should simulate up to the final state of the program.
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It would be helpful if you answer the actual question being asked
right here and thus not answer some other question that was asked
somewhere else.
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If you do not understand that I answered the question why the simulation is incorrect, it is hopeless. The question which instruction is incorrect is not the right question.
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If you say that something is incorrect and can't be specific
then your rebuttal is pure bluster with no actual basis.
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You need to show every single freaking step of exactly
DDD correctly emulated by HH0 reaches past its own
machine address [0000209b] or all you have is BULLSHIT!
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Which proves your duplicity, since no one is claiming that.
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If you claim that I have made a mistake and cannot point
to the exact details of this mistake then everyone will
know that you are lying about there being any actual mistake.
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Sure
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First, NO ONE has said that *H* (or what every you are calling your decider today) can correct simulate the input to a final state.
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Then you understand that H(D,D) is not even being
asked the question: Does D(D) halt?
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 Of course it is, at least if it is claimed to be a Halt Decider.
 
When there is no mapping from the finite string x86 machine
language input to H(D,D) to the  behavior of D(D) then
H(D,D) IS NOT being asked about the behavior of D(D).
*That this is simply over-your-head does not make me wrong*
Not even being asked about the behavior of D(D) is
not the same situation as:
the logical impossibility of specifying a halt decider H
that correctly reports the halt status of input D that is
defined to do the opposite of whatever value that H reports.
Of course this is impossible.

Nothing says that the decider has to actually be ABLE to answer the question, only that the answer exists. Uncomputable problems just can't be solved with a computation.
 You just refuse to accept the only definition of that which is valid, because you logic can't handle it (and thus is wrong for the field).
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20 Jun 24 * 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0197olcott
20 Jun 24 +* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH048Fred. Zwarts
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21 Jun 24 i i `- Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH01Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH043Fred. Zwarts
21 Jun 24 i  `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply42olcott
21 Jun 24 i   +* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply20Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i   i`* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply19olcott
21 Jun 24 i   i `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply18Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i   i  `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply17olcott
21 Jun 24 i   i   `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply16Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i   i    `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply15olcott
21 Jun 24 i   i     +* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply9Richard Damon
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21 Jun 24 i   i     i `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply7Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i   i     i  `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply6olcott
21 Jun 24 i   i     i   `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply5Richard Damon
21 Jun 24 i   i     i    `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply4olcott
21 Jun 24 i   i     i     `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply3Richard Damon
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22 Jun 24 i   `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply21Fred. Zwarts
22 Jun 24 i    `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply20olcott
22 Jun 24 i     +- Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply1Richard Damon
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22 Jun 24 i     i`- Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply1Richard Damon
22 Jun 24 i     `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply16Fred. Zwarts
22 Jun 24 i      `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply15olcott
22 Jun 24 i       +* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply9Richard Damon
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23 Jun 24 i       `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply5Fred. Zwarts
23 Jun 24 i        `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply4olcott
24 Jun 24 i         `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply3Fred. Zwarts
24 Jun 24 i          `* Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply2olcott
25 Jun 24 i           `- Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0 ---Boilerplate Reply1Richard Damon
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