Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan

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Sujet : Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 03. Jul 2024, 19:57:40
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On 7/3/2024 1:40 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 03.jul.2024 om 20:20 schreef olcott:
_DDD()
[00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d               pop ebp
[00002183] c3               ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>
DDD correctly emulated by any element of the infinite
set of every pure function HHH cannot possibly reach
its own ret instruction and halt. That HHH aborts its
emulation at some point or never aborts its emulation
cannot possibly change this.
>
 Ad hominem attacks always try to hide a lack of argumentation.
 It has been proved that HHH cannot possibly correctly simulate itself.
That is false and you know it. That might not be a
flat out lie as it is an sloppy use of language.
HHH does correctly simulate itself simulating DDD one time,
then it stops correctly simulating itself because this criteria
is met:
     HHH correctly simulates its input DDD until HHH
     correctly determines that its simulated DDD would
     never stop running unless aborted
https://liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf

So, the above code shows that the incorrect simulation of DDD by HHH is unable to reach the 'ret' instruction, because it either never aborts, or aborts one cycle too soon, when the simulated HHH is only one cycle from its own abort and return and then the return of DDD would follow.
 
The criteria is:
     HHH correctly simulates its input DDD until HHH
     correctly determines that its simulated DDD would
     never stop running unless aborted
Richard always lies about this by making sure that he
ever sees the word UNTIL.

Olcott could not find an error in this reasoning, but just repeats his baseless claims. So, who is hiding the truth?
--
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer

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