Sujet : Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan
De : polcott333 (at) *nospam* gmail.com (olcott)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logicDate : 03. Jul 2024, 20:15:29
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On 7/3/2024 2:11 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 03.jul.2024 om 20:57 schreef olcott:
On 7/3/2024 1:40 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 03.jul.2024 om 20:20 schreef olcott:
_DDD()
[00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping
[00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping
[00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD
[0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
[0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04
[00002182] 5d pop ebp
[00002183] c3 ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
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DDD correctly emulated by any element of the infinite
set of every pure function HHH cannot possibly reach
its own ret instruction and halt. That HHH aborts its
emulation at some point or never aborts its emulation
cannot possibly change this.
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Ad hominem attacks always try to hide a lack of argumentation.
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It has been proved that HHH cannot possibly correctly simulate itself.
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That is false and you know it. That might not be a
flat out lie as it is an sloppy use of language.
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HHH does correctly simulate itself simulating DDD one time,
then it stops correctly simulating itself because this criteria
is met:
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HHH correctly simulates its input DDD until HHH
correctly determines that its simulated DDD would
never stop running unless aborted
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https://liarparadox.org/HHH(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf
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So, the above code shows that the incorrect simulation of DDD by HHH is unable to reach the 'ret' instruction, because it either never aborts, or aborts one cycle too soon, when the simulated HHH is only one cycle from its own abort and return and then the return of DDD would follow.
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The criteria is:
HHH correctly simulates its input DDD until HHH
correctly determines that its simulated DDD would
never stop running unless aborted
It has been pointed out many times that this is sloppy use of language.
It is the case that DDD correctly simulated by HHH cannot
possibly reach its own ret instruction NO MATTER WHAT.
As soon as HHH sees this it is necessarily correct for HHH
to reject DDD as non-halting.
-- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Geniushits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer
Date | Sujet | # | | Auteur |
3 Jul 24 | Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 253 | | olcott |
3 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 232 | | Fred. Zwarts |
3 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 231 | | olcott |
3 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 209 | | Fred. Zwarts |
3 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 208 | | olcott |
3 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 207 | | Fred. Zwarts |
3 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 206 | | olcott |
3 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 205 | | Fred. Zwarts |
3 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 204 | | olcott |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 203 | | Fred. Zwarts |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 202 | | olcott |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott (self-admitted) | 1 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 200 | | Fred. Zwarts |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 199 | | olcott |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 198 | | Fred. Zwarts |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 197 | | olcott |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 196 | | Fred. Zwarts |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 195 | | olcott |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 1 | | Richard Damon |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 3 | | Mikko |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 2 | | olcott |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 1 | | Richard Damon |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 188 | | Fred. Zwarts |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 187 | | olcott |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 185 | | Fred. Zwarts |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 184 | | olcott |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 183 | | Fred. Zwarts |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 182 | | olcott |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 181 | | Fred. Zwarts |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 180 | | olcott |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 1 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 178 | | Fred. Zwarts |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 177 | | olcott |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott who doesn't under stand Ben's agreement | 1 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 175 | | Fred. Zwarts |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 3 | | olcott |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 1 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 1 | | Fred. Zwarts |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 171 | | olcott |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 1 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 3 | | joes |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 2 | | olcott |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 1 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 166 | | Fred. Zwarts |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 165 | | olcott |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott | 1 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 163 | | Fred. Zwarts |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 162 | | olcott |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott | 1 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 42 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar | 41 | | olcott |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar | 40 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 39 | | olcott |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 37 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 36 | | olcott |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 35 | | Richard Damon |
6 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 34 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 33 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 32 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 31 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 30 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 29 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 28 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 24 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 23 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 22 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 21 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 20 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 8 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 7 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar! | 6 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar! | 5 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!! | 4 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!! | 3 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!! | 2 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Olcott is a Liar !!! | 1 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar !!! | 11 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott is a Liar !!! | 10 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Richard is a Liar | 9 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Richard is a Liar | 8 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Richard is a Liar | 7 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Olcott is a Liar | 5 | | Richard Damon |
7 Jul 24 | Is Richard a Liar? | 4 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Is Richard a Liar? | 2 | | joes |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Is Richard a Liar? | 1 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Olcott IS a Liar! | 1 | | Richard Damon |
8 Jul 24 | Re: Richard is a Liar | 1 | | Mikko |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 3 | | joes |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 2 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Olcott is a LIAR. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
8 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Richard is a Liar? | 1 | | Mikko |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 118 | | Fred. Zwarts |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 117 | | olcott |
7 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott | 1 | | Richard Damon |
8 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 115 | | Fred. Zwarts |
8 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 114 | | olcott |
8 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 5 | | joes |
8 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 4 | | olcott |
8 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 2 | | joes |
8 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 1 | | olcott |
9 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott lies | 1 | | Richard Damon |
8 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 107 | | Fred. Zwarts |
9 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Peter Olcott found lying. | 1 | | Richard Damon |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 1 | | Richard Damon |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan --- Ben's agreement | 2 | | joes |
5 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 21 | | joes |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Peter OLCOTT YES! | 19 | | Richard Damon |
4 Jul 24 | Re: Liar detector: Fred, Richard, Joes and Alan | 1 | | Mikko |