Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof

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Sujet : Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof
De : richard (at) *nospam* damon-family.org (Richard Damon)
Groupes : sci.logic comp.theory
Date : 11. Jul 2025, 02:59:18
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On 7/10/25 10:55 AM, olcott wrote:
On 7/10/2025 9:38 AM, joes wrote:
Am Thu, 10 Jul 2025 09:09:00 -0500 schrieb olcott:
On 7/10/2025 4:02 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 2025-07-09 12:31:59 +0000, olcott said:
>
It is a truism the the POE violates the requirement of truth
preserving operations. People that learn things by rote do not notice
this.
The requirement of truth preserving operations only applies to proofs.
 
According to the POE:
(a) The Moon is made of green cheese and (b) the Moon does not exist
proves that (c) Donald Trump is the Christ.
 
Correct. Since the moon is not, in fact, made of green cheese, this does
not allow you deduce that Trump is christ (even if he were). It is a bit
unintuitive, granted.
>
 As a demonstration of the principle, consider two contradictory statements—"All lemons are yellow" and "Not all lemons are yellow"—and suppose that both are true. If that is the case, anything can be proven, e.g., the assertion that "unicorns exist", by using the following argument: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_explosion
 This the Moon exists and the Moon does not exist "proves"
that Donald Trump is the Christ.
 What it really proves is the modern symbolic logic is all F-cked up.
*My replacement to formal systems corrects this error*
 
No, it says that feed into a logic system lies, and you can get anything out.
You logic show that.

Date Sujet#  Auteur
4 Jul 25 * Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof47olcott
4 Jul 25 +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof9Richard Damon
4 Jul 25 i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof8olcott
5 Jul08:43 i +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof4Fred. Zwarts
5 Jul16:28 i i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof3olcott
6 Jul01:14 i i +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
6 Jul10:15 i i `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Fred. Zwarts
5 Jul13:54 i `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof3Richard Damon
5 Jul16:37 i  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof2olcott
6 Jul01:20 i   `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
5 Jul09:46 +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Mikko
5 Jul10:06 `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof36Mikko
5 Jul16:18  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof35olcott
6 Jul09:30   `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof34Mikko
6 Jul15:48    `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof33olcott
6 Jul17:41     +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
7 Jul09:20     `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof31Mikko
7 Jul14:57      `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof30olcott
8 Jul00:10       +- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
8 Jul08:41       `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof28Mikko
8 Jul15:18        `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof27olcott
9 Jul09:29         +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof25Mikko
9 Jul13:31         i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof24olcott
9 Jul15:04         i +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof12joes
9 Jul15:16         i i+* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof10olcott
10 Jul10:05         i ii+* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof8Mikko
10 Jul15:09         i iii`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof7olcott
11 Jul09:43         i iii `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof6Mikko
11 Jul16:30         i iii  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof5olcott
11 Jul16:50         i iii   +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof3joes
11 Jul21:52         i iii   i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof2olcott
11 Jul23:58         i iii   i `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
11 Jul23:55         i iii   `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
10 Jul12:26         i ii`- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
9 Jul16:09         i i`- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1olcott
10 Jul10:02         i `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof11Mikko
10 Jul15:09         i  `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof10olcott
10 Jul15:55         i   +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof2olcott
11 Jul02:59         i   i`- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
11 Jul02:58         i   +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof6Richard Damon
11 Jul04:58         i   i`* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof5André G. Isaak
11 Jul05:29         i   i `* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof4olcott
11 Jul05:42         i   i  +* Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof2André G. Isaak
11 Jul06:12         i   i  i`- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1olcott
11 Jul14:35         i   i  `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon
11 Jul09:47         i   `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Mikko
9 Jul12:09         `- Re: Claude.ai provides reasoning why I may have defeated the conventional HP proof1Richard Damon

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