Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller

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Sujet : Re: My reviewers think that halt deciders must report on the behavior of their caller
De : F.Zwarts (at) *nospam* HetNet.nl (Fred. Zwarts)
Groupes : comp.theory sci.logic
Date : 11. Jul 2025, 09:52:31
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Op 10.jul.2025 om 16:35 schreef olcott:
On 7/10/2025 5:54 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
Op 09.jul.2025 om 15:02 schreef olcott:>
All Turing machine deciders only compute the mapping
from their actual inputs. This entails that they never
compute any mapping from non-inputs.
>
At least one thing you understand.
>
 *From the bottom of page 319 has been adapted to this*
https://www.liarparadox.org/Peter_Linz_HP_317-320.pdf
 *The Linz proof does not understand this*
 When Ĥ is applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.∞
   *if Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ halts, and*
Ĥ.q0 ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.embedded_H ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⟨Ĥ⟩ ⊢* Ĥ.qn
   *if Ĥ applied to ⟨Ĥ⟩ does not halt*
 
>
The evidence is that the input includes the code to abort and halt,
>
abort and stop running
*IS NOT THE SAME THING AS*
abort and halt
>
Another claim without evidence.
>
>
*It is common knowledge in the theory of computation*
 
Another claim without evidence.
--
Paradoxes in the relation between Creator and creature.
<http://www.wirholt.nl/English>.

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