Re: Command Languages Versus Programming Languages

On Sat, 12 Oct 2024 16:36:26 -0000 (UTC)
cross@spitfire.i.gajendra.net (Dan Cross) boring babbled:

In article <vee2b1$6vup$1@dont-email.me>,  <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:

Unlikely to be running *nix in that case.

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We're discussing the concept of a "standalone binary"; you seem
to think that means a binary image emitted by a linker and meant
to run under a hosted environment, like an operating system.  It
does not.

It can mean either. Essentially its a binary that contains directly runnable
CPU machine code. I'm not sure why you're having such a conceptual struggle
understanding this simple concept.

Now you're just being silly.

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*shrug*  Not my problem if you haven't dealt with many embedded
systems.

I could bore you with the number I've actually "dealt with" including
military hardware but whats the point. You've probably programmed the
occasional PIC or arduino and think you're an expert.

Are they? Thats debatable these days. I'd say Linux is a lot closer to
the philosphy of BSD and SYS-V than MacOS which is a certified unix.

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Yes, they are.

I disagree. Modern linux reminds me a lot of SunOS and HP-UX from back in
the day. Not something that can be said for MacOS with its role-our-own
Apple specific way of doing pretty much everything.

Standalone in the sense that the opcodes in the binary don't need to be
transformed into something else before being loaded by the CPU.

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Yeah, no, that's not what anybody serious means when they say
that.

Anybody serious presumably meaning you.

I'd say its a grey area because it isn't full compilation is it, the p-code
still requires an interpreter before it'll run.

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Nope.

Really? So java bytecode will run direct on x86 or ARM will it? Please give
some links to this astounding discovery you've made.

Compiling is not the same as converting. Is a javascript to C converter a
compiler? By your definition it is.

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Yes, of course it is.  So is the terminfo compiler, and any

So in your mind google translate is a "compiler" for spoken languages is it?

number of other similar things.  The first C++ compiler, cfront
emitted C code, not object code.  Was it not a compiler?

No, it was a pre-compiler. Just like Oracles PRO*C/C++.

Only heard of one of them so mostly irrelevant. Mine come from the name of
tools that compile code to a runnable binary.

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It's very odd that you seek to speak from a position of
authority when you don't even know who most of the major people
in the field are.

I know the important ones. You've dug out some obscure names from google
that probably only a few CS courses even mention never mind study the work of.