Re: on community building (Was: Re: Shell providers?)

On 2024-03-08, Julieta Shem <jshem@yaxenu.org> wrote:

Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> writes:
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On 2024-03-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:

We like to give customers a soft landing when turning
down services.  I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions
for good shell providers, places like Panix.

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That concept mostly went away 30 years ago with free Unix-like operating
systems that run on low-spec consumer hardware.
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"bare-bones" for the users I'm thinking of.  Some of
them might be able to transition to being a system
administrator, but a lot just want to run tin, pine,
mutt, irssi, tf, and so forth.

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To access some remote shell account you need a machine
that is internet connected and can run SSH. That machine
can just run a freeware OS with all the above packages.

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That's all true, but it seems that people like to share a system
together because people love to belong to a community.

Obviously, if you're using tin, you have your community in Usenet; pine
and mutt in e-mail, etc), irssi in IRC; TinyFugue in MUDs.
Those don't go away if you have your own machine to run them on.
I had some shell accounts some thirty years ago. I didn't know the other
users logged in.
If any of them hack root, they can see any private files you may have
in your account.
The era of secure multi-user computing is behind us; we now know that
processors cannot actually be trusted to enforce their documented
protection mechanisms like user/supervisor separation, due to side
channel attacks.
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